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Post by atarnaris on Nov 15, 2004 18:41:15 GMT
What do you think is the esoteric meaning of the double headed eagle as featured in the 33rd degree of AASR?
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Post by adder on Nov 16, 2004 5:40:18 GMT
Janus may have a couple of views on the subject.
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Post by atarnaris on Nov 16, 2004 16:45:45 GMT
Janus may have a couple of views on the subject. Who is Janus? Do you mean the Roman God or a forum member then?
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Post by adder on Nov 16, 2004 21:01:41 GMT
Who is Janus? Do you mean the Roman God or a forum member then? I meant the Roman God,and beg forgiveness for what is essentially an unforgivable pun.
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Post by Stash on Nov 18, 2004 7:32:13 GMT
The double-headed eagle was probably first accepted as a symbol of Freemasonry in 1758. In that year the body calling itself the Council of Emperors of the East and West, was established in Paris. The double-headed eagle was in all probability adopted by this body, which claimed a double jurisdiction. The eagle, one head inclined to the East and the other to the West, to guard any and all who might approach from either direction.
Note: Not my words
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Post by Stash on Nov 18, 2004 7:34:23 GMT
Here is another copied explanation of the symbol which seems quite consice AND consistent with others...it is from www.scottishritemasons-can.org. THE DOUBLE HEADED EAGLE OF LAGASH Long used as the insigne of a Scottish Rite Mason, the "Double Headed Eagle of Lagash" is now the accepted emblem in the United States of America of the 32 Degree. It is the oldest crest in the world. It was a symbol of power more than two thousand years before the building of King Solomon's Temple. No other heraldic bearing, no other emblematic device of today can boast such antiquity. The double-headed eagle first originated in the mighty Sumerian city of Lagash. From cylinders taken from the ruins of this ancient city, the double-headed eagle seems to have been known to the kings of the time as the Storm Bird. From the Sumerians this symbol passed to the men of Akkad, from whom it was brought to the Emperors of the East and West by the Crusades. Charlemagne first made use of the double-headed eagle when he became head of the German Empire, the two heads denoting the union of Rome and Germany, in AD 802. There seem to be some who believe that the double-headed eagle may have been a Masonic symbol as early as the twelfth century, but, it probably was first known to Freemasonry in 1758, upon the establishment of the Council of Emperors of the East and West in Paris. This was a part of the Rite of Perfection, a rite of twenty-five degrees, from which was evolved a large part of the present system of Scottish Rite. The successors today of the council of Emperors of the East and West, are the various Supreme Councils of the Thirty-third Degree throughout the world. They have inherited the insignia of the personal emblem of Frederick the Great, First Sovereign Grand commander, who conferred upon the rite the right to use in 1786; at which time seven additional Degrees were "Adopted" making thirty-two "Ancient" and "Accepted" Degrees to which was added a governing Degree, the 33rd. The double headed eagle of Lagash is a white and black eagle. The head, neck, legs and tips of the wings are white, while the body and wings are black. Its wings are extended, yet drooping; in its claws is a naked sword, one talon of the right claw clutching the hilt of the steel serpentine shaped blade, the left claw grasping the blade. The Symbol of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of Canada is a double-headed eagle, its wings displayed uplifted, surmounted by a Prussian crown, perched on a sword fessways Argent, hilt and pommel to the dexter. From the sword is draped a scroll bearing the motto: "DEUS MEUMQUE JUS".
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Post by offramp on Nov 18, 2004 16:08:54 GMT
Is the Frederick the Great connection real or just a complete myth?
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Post by ruffashlar on Nov 19, 2004 6:14:47 GMT
DEUS MEUMQUE JUS, "God and my oath[?]"
"Jus" is difficult to translate. It often means anything to do with the law, like an oath ("jus jurandum") or a trial, or even a legal right.
In which last case it inevitably suggests the motto of the English monarchs, "Dieu et mon droit", which (according to the lazy researcher's boon companion, Wikipedia), was "allegedly first used as a password by King Richard I in 1198 at the Battle of Gisors".
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Post by Stash on Nov 19, 2004 7:05:52 GMT
Is it true that the number of Inspectors(33rds) in a state cannot exceed 9??
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Post by Yoki on Nov 22, 2004 3:41:14 GMT
Stash wrote The eagle, one head inclined to the East and the other to the West, to guard any and all who might approach from either direction.
So what happens if they come from the north or south.
;D
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Post by ingo on Nov 23, 2004 7:21:54 GMT
Doesn't the eagle have some blizzards or a sword in his claws? He can fight the southeners or northeners with this....
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Post by ingo on Nov 23, 2004 7:24:51 GMT
Stash, you wrote: "Is it true that the number of Inspectors(33rds) in a state cannot exceed 9??"
Why? You have max 33 members in the SC; one is the SGC, one is the Souv. Gand Chancellor, one is Souv. Grand Lieutenant - they form the leaders of the SC, so the others must be Souv. Grand Inspectors - or am I wrong?
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Post by Stash on Nov 23, 2004 7:28:29 GMT
Oh, I have no idea why. I read that in a reference book, but it stood out as peculiar....that's why I asked!!
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Post by atarnaris on Nov 23, 2004 18:51:03 GMT
Double headed eagle: One body, two heads. Head is traditionally the place of residence of the mind.
Therefore a Double headed eagle denotes: One body,two minds.
Whose minds are those then? Mine and...?
PS: Mind not be confused with brain!!! The proof that Freemasonry is indeed spiritual.
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Post by Stash on Nov 25, 2004 1:06:08 GMT
Andrew....nice avatar.
And offramp...if you're reading, I enjoy yours quite a bit too!!
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Post by Seeker on Nov 25, 2004 3:07:08 GMT
Stash wrote The eagle, one head inclined to the East and the other to the West, to guard any and all who might approach from either direction. So what happens if they come from the north or south. ;D mmm...... we have a chair of much mystery in the North and the JW representing Beauty in the South mmmm......
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Post by offramp on Dec 16, 2004 4:46:27 GMT
I don't know if anyone else out there subscribes to the newsgroup (Usenet) group alt.binaries.freemasonry... Just recently posted to the group is Morals & Dogma by Albert Pike. It is in MS Reader format (a .lit file) so don't waste your time downloading it if you can't read MS Reader books - fait accompli!
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Post by staffs on Dec 16, 2004 6:33:19 GMT
Offramp,can you copy this into the book and film reviews also
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Post by roberthlamar on Dec 16, 2004 23:19:43 GMT
1 - What do you think is the esoteric meaning of the double headed eagle as featured in the 33rd degree of AASR? R : Its the Simbol of the Royal German House. Also it dosent belongs to the 33 Degree of the AASR is was copied exactly from the 33 degree of the Templar regime of the Unknown Judge Philosophers.
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Post by aaron on Dec 19, 2004 14:38:30 GMT
david icke man have a few answer ahahah
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