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Post by sid on Jun 11, 2005 4:03:17 GMT
Greetings, In the following drawing the bricks of Solomon's Temple have been numbered. Could this be explained, and is it used by all Masonic Orders? The outer wall of the Temple has 28 bricks, the inner has 12. The 4 bricks of the outer wall that touch the inner wall are numbered 4, 11, 18, and 25 which I also find interesting as well. The circle contains 36 units. Apart from my interest in ritual and symbol etc., I am asking because the Italian monk Joachim of Fiore (from Fiore) also used a 'building' but one with 3 walls i.e., for the Father (old testament), the Son (new testament), and the Holy Ghost (the future). This basically is Chiliastic prophecy and the so called '7 ages of the Church', and *Vaticinia (Papal prophecy) both of which were a part of the curriculum at the University of Tubingen at the time of Johann Valentine Andreae. Interestingly, Simon Studion also has a drawing of a building in his Naometria [Nova] 1604 which also has numbered bricks (above & below) in it. His building has 4 walls with each wall containing one of the 4 Evangelical animals for Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. *Examples of old Vaticinia drawings at URL: schulen.eduhi.at/stift_kremsmuenster/vat/index.htmJust go down the page and you will see the numbered links to each drawing. Yo can also do an 'image' search at Google using the word 'Vaticinia'.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 11, 2005 23:15:38 GMT
Sid I expect that there are a number of things hidden in img232.echo.cx/my.php?image=temple8ab.jpgThe first that springs to my eye is the relationship between the overall shape of the image and that used in Holy Royal Arch and in the Rosslyn Chapel. And to confirm that, in the bottom right is a reasonable copy of the 'prentice pillar at Rosslyn. Some of the other images are a bit hard to see. Cheers Russell
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Post by sid on Jun 12, 2005 0:11:38 GMT
Sid And to confirm that, in the bottom right is a reasonable copy of the 'prentice pillar at Rosslyn. Cheers Russell Interesting that you mention the 'Apprentice Pillar' at Rosslyn Chapel. You will notice that the pillar turns in the other direction. There are 4 vines twisting with the pillar and if you look closely below you will see that each vine contains a rope, each of which has 2 splices. At the bottom of the pillar there are 8 dragon like figures each with a splice in its mouth. I am not sure if this is where the 'Green Man' and the vine throughout the Chapel actually starts, but there are more than 100 examples of the 'floating head' of the Green Man in the Chapel.
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 12, 2005 0:37:28 GMT
Russell,
I am not winding you up.I sincerely need to know.
I understand magnetism.I am attuned to Reiki,(now second degree) and I am doing exactly that.
Magnetic, magnetic all the way...
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Post by hollandr on Jun 12, 2005 2:51:36 GMT
Sid
Well it was only an impression of the image suggesting links to Rosslyn and HRA. Perhaps those links are not there.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jun 12, 2005 22:25:03 GMT
Hi Russel, Sid Well it was only an impression of the image suggesting links to Rosslyn and HRA. Perhaps those links are not there. Cheers Russell Agreed. What I am looking for has more to do with the subject of the numbering of the bricks of the Temple in drawings. I'm looking for a link between this and the Holy City, City of the Sun, Mystical Jerusalem etc., of Studion. By the way the Lion is holding an open book (Holy Bible?) and looking in the other direction than the other 3 animals i.e., in a clockwise direction. Also of possible interest, the heraldic shield of the town of Luneburg (dedicated to the Moon) where the famous meeting of Studion took place in 1586 has a blue lion on it (with 7 small hearts in red). The small town of Luneburg also has 4 quarters, each with an ancient 'mark' (I'll post them when I find them). The 'Rose of Jericho' is also interesting as it was a symbol of resurection and the Lion was the heraldic animal of the city of Jericho & and I believe the 'tribe' belonging to it as well (?). Regarding the lion in Egyptian hierogliphics: The head was I believe fire & the front paws were yellow for air. The back part was water and earth.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 14, 2005 1:02:17 GMT
Sid
If symbols are real than they are directly connected to the energy of that beingness that they symbolise.
Hence an alternative to logical analysis is to visualise and intend the symbol and to step right into it.
In that way you may experience the reality.
Then you may if you wish veil your observations in allegory and number.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Jun 28, 2005 7:15:21 GMT
Sid - There are 28 days(nights) in a lunar cycle and 12 months in a solar year. The circle being marked into 36 units could indicate the number of days that used to be in a year prior to that great "war in the heavens" that threw us the wobble. This could be an illusion to the Sun and the Moon that do His Will - but because the bricks are marked I would not be surprised if it was not used as an aid to mundane things - like planting seed etc.
The tower and the pillar could actually be viewed as two pillars and if so the diagram in between would represent a Mason. The circle is eternity, the cross = sacrifice and the rose is Love. Our eternal work and reward can be approachedby sacrificing our own interests for the love and aid of mankind.
You will see the same theme reiterated in the East (Orient) where the swan is feeding her young with the blood from her own breast. The cross and rose also appear here only this time Glorified, the Mason now having travelled the proper road is at last a Master.
Cannot read all the symbols in the centre - too small. But I note that the inner is more or less a reflection of the outer - as above so below?!
The apprentice pillar - the four vines could represent the four side of the apron, the four parts of our physicality - the Energy, Material, Emotional and Mind Bodies of man. The rope which holds the vine together - the brain with its two compartments which, with spiritual evolution or attainment coalesce. We usually find it hard to achieve this state because of our animal natures - hence the dragons. But when we manage to slay our 'dragons' and the kundilini rises - it will do so by a circuitous path along the spinal column. What do you think the Bishops crook represents?!
If you wish to ponder further - you may well place the Officers on the map and follow their movements.
Floating Heads? - Should we be fortunate enough to attain the aforementioned we will find that we will probably have OBE's and be able to Astral Travel - at will. This sometimes happens involuntarily to some people. Padre Pia, soon to be sainted, was a well know exponent of bi-location and his exploits well documented.
Maat
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Post by sid on Jul 3, 2005 1:05:04 GMT
Greetings Maat, Thank you for your post. All sorts of interesting things in the drawing above. Actually, it's a phoenix (sometimes a pelikan?) nurturing its 5 young from the blood of its heart. I believe it also belongs to one of the Rosicrucian jewels of the Masonic KT (18°). At the 7 points with the circle + triangle + eye are the letters U.N.I.V.E.R.S. & the letters INRI in the bars of the cross. Cannot make out the rest of the writing in the drawing that I have. (looks like French & Hebrew) My specific interest is in the actual numbering of bricks in drawings like this. Some examples are 'simple' and others like the one above, are a little more elaborate. Interestingly, the 4 corners of the outer walls of the Temple that actually 'enter' the circle are numbered 4, 11, 18, 25. I'm still looking The triangle (point up or down) represents the 'Shekinah' (an old Egyptian word) . For a closer examination of this symbol upon a higher leval, one should try and visualize ones Lodge in its entirity be it Masonic or Rosicrucian (or other), and working from the outside walls to the Holy of Holies within the centre. Further comments may interfere with your own personal experience. You may also find it an interesting exercise to actually 'lift up' your Lodge (mentally) to a higher vibration both during your visualizations, and also when you actually enter your Lodge physically. Cromaat
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Post by sid on Jul 3, 2005 1:33:26 GMT
Interesting that you mention the 'Holy Royal Arch'. Some years back, a German MM of Royal Arch Masonry & his good wife, invited me to stay over the week-end, and I had a dream (Masonic) with a crown and something deep red (cloth?) in colour. Not sure if it was actually in the crown or not. Any ideas as to its possible meaning? (only) if I need to know I'm a little confused with all the different Masonic Orders (side degrees?) Question: Does the first Lodge (Masonic) that one joins remain ones 'Mother Lodge'? bod: I know that I still have not answered your post, but unfortunately, because of my personal curcumstances, and a number of other things, I am just not able to answer your question. That said, if I were to apply for membership (from your (others) point of view), should I first apply in Germany (locally) or in Scotland (place of birth) ? Best I can do for now. Sid The first that springs to my eye is the relationship between the overall shape of the image and that used in Holy Royal Arch and in the Rosslyn Chapel. Cheers Russell
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Post by hollandr on Jul 3, 2005 2:59:18 GMT
>I had a dream (Masonic) with a crown and something deep red (cloth?)
Sid
That could be straight out of HRA as one of the principals is entitled to wear a crown and carries a crown image on a rod and wears a deep red.
Not all true Masons belong to physical lodges. There are ethereal lodges as well.
Hence the importance of symbols as literal gateways to the ethereal lodges. Just visualise and use the symbol as a literal door.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jul 3, 2005 7:41:20 GMT
Sid, Keith B Jackson's "Beyond the Craft" ISBN 0-85318-207-8. gives a first class account of the Higher Degrees, their Regalia, Symbols, Qualifications to become a Member, History etc. I commend it to you, try Amazon.com .
Yes, the Lodge one is Initiated into remains one's "Mother Lodge" for life. Most Brethren do try to remain members even if they cannot attend regularly.
I don't know a lot about German Freemasonry, but if you can join a Scottish Lodge, do so! If I had to start over in Freemasonry and could attend on a reasonably regular basis I'd have joined a Scots Lodge as I prefer the way they are administered and their way of doing things and feel they are closer to "St John's Masonry". Being in the Royal Order of Scotland restores that which is lost in UGLE Craft as far as I am concerned.
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Post by munkholt on Jul 3, 2005 8:40:41 GMT
I don't know a lot about German Freemasonry, but if you can join a Scottish Lodge, do so! If I had to start over in Freemasonry and could attend on a reasonably regular basis I'd have joined a Scots Lodge as I prefer the way they are administered and their way of doing things and feel they are closer to "St John's Masonry". Being in the Royal Order of Scotland restores that which is lost in UGLE Craft as far as I am concerned. Swedish Rite is also practised in parts of Germany, under Grosse Landesloge der Freimaurer von Deutschland. They work the craft-degrees as St. John's Masonry, and, since it developed seperate from the English, has retained some of the original features (while being inspired by templarism and French Masonry).
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Post by maat on Jul 3, 2005 23:46:49 GMT
Dear Sid
Re your numbers - and note what appears below your signature....+++/777/LLL. You may have the clue to your search in that the difference BETWEEN the numbers is 777!
Seven is very significant in Masonry and life in general (7 colours in the rainbow that we can see, 7 notes in the scale that we can hear etc etc). Also there are 7 main energy centres in the body usually referred to as chakras in the East. These are the powerhouse centres of the physical (think acupuncture) and spiritual energies of the body. When the serpent energy from the base of the spine is awakened and rises through these various centres we find our ourselves becoming Enlightened (literally) and when it finally 'bursts' through the Crown chakra is appears as a crown those that can see.
7 points = chakras. The triangle = movement, but containment, of Energy. Eye =can be thought of as the heart of the atom, that supreme but unseen energy that pervades and is intelligent = God?!
Which brings us to your Masonic (your words) dream of the Crown and the Scarlet. Perhaps Masonry is being suggested as a means whereby you will become enlightened. Years before I joined Masonry I had a dream of the fine detail of the top of a column - which at the time made me think that it was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen. It was only some ten years later, when I was well along my Masonic path that the dream popped into my mind again and I realised it's true significance.
I knew is was a pelican! I must be blonde!
Re: side degrees --- the first three degrees are all anyone really needs to know that they are eternal. The extra degrees extend themes. Mark and Ark Mariners are an extention on the Second degree, each one taking you closer to the centre of the circle at that point. The Royal Arch goes beyond the Third and quite literally shows you the plan of how everything in the Universe, seen and unseen, works in other words THE LAW. Rose Croix tells you what IS EXPECTED OF YOU with all the knowledge you have been given. And here is the crunch - when you have spent years and years getting to the top - you then realise that it is all there in the First degree, but you could not recognise it at the time.
Of course there is no dogma in Freemasonry - so these must be considered my interpretations only.
Ain't Life Grand
Maat
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