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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 10:10:49 GMT
These 2 opposing forces remind me of 2 opposing forces found in nature.
Magnetism & Electricity.
Magnetism attracting all, maintaining Order. Electrism pushing all apart, maintaining Chaos (or non-Order).
Is that the nature of the Universe? Is that the nature of God & Satan?
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 11, 2005 10:31:40 GMT
Is that not similar to the ideas of Armudz and Arhiman, Light and Darkness, as taught by the Zoroastrans?
Also there is a Latin motto "Daemon est Deus inversus"
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Post by hollandr on Jun 11, 2005 10:46:38 GMT
Andrew
I think you may wish to distinguish between the legendary characters of human mythology and the characters of cosmic mythology and the characters before cosmic mythology. Else you may be asking if an ant opposes an ocean.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 10:52:43 GMT
I am trying to explain things by their natural perspectives. Are you talking about the Old and Ancient Ones then?
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 11, 2005 11:53:03 GMT
As one who works in that field, Electronics, the conjoined Forces of Electrcity and Magnetism are of great interest to me. Of course current electricty as opposed to its Electrostatic counterpart is generated for the most part by cutting lines of magnetic flux and passing a curent through a coil will produce such a magnetic field. It took man many centuries to harness the Force of Electricity to his great advantage, can we hope that we can likewise understand and harness the other formative and controlling Forces of the Universe?
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Post by hollandr on Jun 11, 2005 12:08:49 GMT
Andrew
I think that there are cosmic entities as well as local "gods" as well as entities that are space. And all of them are called god or God by someone.
Taylorsman
If you form a circle of meditators and push light both ways around the circle, one direction will be magnetic light and the other electric light.
And of course a more subtle force goes at right angles through the middle of the circle.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 12:10:13 GMT
is generated for the most part by cutting lines of magnetic flux and passing a curent through a coil will produce such a magnetic field. Perambulations in the Lodge?
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 12:11:57 GMT
Andrew I think that there are cosmic entities as well as local "gods" as well as entities that are space. And all of them are called god or God by someone. Agreed there.
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 12:13:06 GMT
Andrew I think that there are cosmic entities as well as local "gods" as well as entities that are space. And all of them are called god or God by someone. Taylorsman If you form a circle of meditators and push light both ways around the circle, one direction will be magnetic light and the other electric light. And of course a more subtle force goes at right angles through the middle of the circle. Cheers Russell Push Light? What do you mean? Physical or not?
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 11, 2005 12:17:22 GMT
Now I hadn't thought of that. In a Lodge using a proper Ritual with squaring etc and movement in a clockwise Direction you have the Poles , N-E-S-W, and these and the Brethen not partcipating are the Stator and those perambulating are the Rotor. Maybe Russell could expand on how they interact with the Lines of Force in the Lodge. There is also the Maxtrix formed by the Black and White Grid of the Carpet or Floor, with the G being the pivotal point.
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 11, 2005 13:00:43 GMT
Now we are getting somewhere... Bro Steve, your knowledge is invaluable...
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Post by hollandr on Jun 11, 2005 13:24:30 GMT
Andrew
Well the light that is pushed around the circle can be pushed by any chakra but I recommend using the heart.
Taylorsman, the imagery you use is a bit mechanical for my liking. There may actually be intelligences involved too which produce a rhythmic breathing of the energetics.
But as a first observation, the perambulations if done reasonably invoke an uprising of earth energies and a downflow of cosmic energies.
And the meeting vortex should be on the pavement where the geometry interweaves the flow from east to west with the flow from north to south.
This creates a field in which initiatory work can be done.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 12, 2005 2:27:52 GMT
But unlike natural forces, individual belief can alter the behaviour and even the existence of a cosmic force.
I mean, I don't believe in electricity. I think it's just the clever mischief of Cornish Pixies; but it hasn't noticeably affected how electricity behaves.
Whereas, I don't believe in Satan at all, except as a kick-ass character in Milton, and already he has no power over me.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 12, 2005 3:13:58 GMT
>Whereas, I don't believe in Satan at all, except as a kick-ass character in Milton, and already he has no power over me.
Ruff
It is certainly a traditional position that active disbelief is a strong protection against real entities.
But I wonder how you can be sure that the Great Deceiver is not already on the inside managing your thoughts.
Perhaps we were born with the Great Deceiver on board and our first task is to reassert spiritual control over the persona.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 12, 2005 6:23:50 GMT
I wonder how you can be sure that the Great Deceiver is not already on the inside managing your thoughts
How can you be sure he hasn't just retired to Hoboken?
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Post by hollandr on Jun 12, 2005 6:47:06 GMT
Ruff
I have observed and hopefully assisted a number of people over the years.
A common situation is that on subplane 5.4 (highest subplane of the personal mind) people have concealed entry points for thoughts from other entities. Because these thoughts appear inside the mind of the persona, the persona finds it difficult to recognise that those thoughts are implants.
Sometimes you may hear those people say things like:
- I do not know what came over me - It was so unlike me - I was not myself - I had a devil in me.
This sort of observation is often, but not always, symptomatic of another intelligence intruding.
Of course there are many more rungs on Jacobs Ladder where intrusions can occur.
And what would someone do who suspected that their thoughts and feelings were being manipulated?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by staffs on Jun 12, 2005 10:43:29 GMT
Ruff I have observed and hopefully assisted a number of people over the years. This sort of observation is often, but not always, symptomatic of another intelligence intruding. And what would someone do who suspected that their thoughts and feelings were being manipulated? russell,and youhave also been very helpful to myself on several occassions. Your last part of the quote : Could this not be our spiritual guide accessing those points of entrance Our thougts are probably NOT being manipulated but we are just being guided?? .(wow just realised the "perfect points of my entrance" that could mean so much more from th question.How do you demonstrate the proof of being a mason to others ? Now there is a whole new discussion in itself
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Post by hollandr on Jun 12, 2005 13:59:20 GMT
Staffs
The entrances to our consciousness used by higher beings are different entrances than those used by lower and obsessing consciousnesses.
Secrecy is a hallmark of improperly intrusive intelligences.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by atarnaris on Jun 12, 2005 17:33:20 GMT
>Whereas, I don't believe in Satan at all, except as a kick-ass character in Milton, and already he has no power over me. But I wonder how you can be sure that the Great Deceiver is not already on the inside managing your thoughts. Finally an explanation for Ruff's devilish behaviour. Vite, ou est l'exorciste?
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 12, 2005 18:32:40 GMT
Cue to "Tubular Bells" played on the bagpipes, and has Ruff got "666" tatooed on part of his anatomy? I have NO wish to go and find out!
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