|
Post by ingo on Jul 6, 2005 11:46:09 GMT
Who is familiar with the work of Gerald Massey and his research about the links between ancient egypt and christian beliefs?
He lived from 1828-1907, I guess he was a mason and formed the hypothesis that Jesus has not been a historical person, but a litterate one. He compares the life, work and death of Jesus with the egypt god Horus and found about 180-200 similiarities!
For example: Horus, also Dionysos and Mithras had 12 compagnons who spread the "word" around the world. Horus also heals the ill and feads the poor. Horus also rises his father Osiris like Jesus Larzarus or a Freemason a man called H.....
And so on...
Who has heard about that?
|
|
|
Post by ingo on Jul 6, 2005 11:50:47 GMT
Also look at the new book of Prof. Tom Harpur....
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 6, 2005 12:30:26 GMT
If you read "The Bible Fraud" by Bushby www.holisticpage.com.au/_Tony_Bushby.phpHe maintains that the Jesus figure of the New Testament is a composite of two people, one from british royalty (british and jewish and roman royal lines were closely connected) and the other called Krestus. He provides large amounts of research to support his claims. The bible does not come out very well as an original source document. Cheers Russell
|
|
ruffashlar
Member
Lodge Milncroft No. 1515 (GLoS), Govanhill Royal Arch Chapter 523 (S.G.R.A.C.S.)
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by ruffashlar on Jul 6, 2005 15:21:45 GMT
Uh-oh, it's the Bollocks Brethren out in force.
Listen, if you examine the life history of practically any popular cult figure, there are bound to be at least 100 to 150 points of coincidence between them - good works, enlightened philosophy, apostles spreading the word and so on - and if you compare figures with a reputed divine connection, that number goes up again to something like 200 or maybe more.
If you count the most tenuous, fanciful correspondences among your evidence, like followers who were male, or who had names beginning with a consonant, I'm sure you can inundate yourself with supposed and spurious "proof".
Please, everyone, bring your brain to the table!
|
|
bod
Member
UGLE - MM (London), MMM RAM(Middx), OSM (London)
Posts: 1,296
|
Post by bod on Jul 6, 2005 15:38:01 GMT
He maintains that the Jesus figure of the New Testament is a composite of two people, one from british royalty (british and jewish and roman royal lines were closely connected) and the other called Krestus. He provides large amounts of research to support his claims. Cheers Russell Hmm, seems Tony is on the same trip as Knight & Lomas and the rest, secret codes, the destruction of ancient texts, the complicity of the council at Nicea, etc etc. Nothing new tho' - just the same theories regurgated. And how on earth can there be a connection between the 'british' royal family, when that is a construct that has only occured in the last 200 years?
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 6, 2005 22:13:03 GMT
>And how on earth can there be a connection between the 'british' royal family, when that is a construct that has only occured in the last 200 years?
Bod
I believe that the british had royal families for some time before the house of Windsor.
There are plenty of relevant books on the early history of Britain.
Some even explain why Iona is not in the Ionian Sea and why the name Hebrides is pronounced as if it were Greek.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by whistler on Jul 6, 2005 23:06:29 GMT
Uh-oh, it's the Bollocks Brethren out in force. Listen, if you examine the life history of practically any popular cult figure, there are bound to be at least 100 to 150 points of coincidence between them - good works, enlightened philosophy, apostles spreading the word and so on - and if you compare figures with a reputed divine connection, that number goes up again to something like 200 or maybe more. If you count the most tenuous, fanciful correspondences among your evidence, like followers who were male, or who had names beginning with a consonant, I'm sure you can inundate yourself with supposed and spurious "proof". Please, everyone, bring your brain to the table! In that case Ruff would you say any of them exisited, are all the stories including the Christian's Bible simply Folk Lore
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 6, 2005 23:18:45 GMT
Whistler
I seem to recall a story about Freud. Someone had a difficult case and presented it at a meeting with Freud. Freud listened to the case and immediately diagnosed it.
The presenter asked him how he could diagnose someone without seeing them. Freud replied that he had seen a 1000 cases just like it.
To which the presenter responded: I suppose you have now seen 1001.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by ingo on Jul 7, 2005 8:34:52 GMT
Well I did not ask about Bushby and his "Bible Fraud" which reminds me about the holy blood and holy grail hoax.. ;D I wanted to start a serious discussion on this topic Horus is maybe one of the oldest myths in the world and if the so-called "life" of other rulers, philosophers or prophets are similiar than - if I lay me head on the table - I just guess that the followers just made a copy of it!!! I do not consider Horus as a historical person or Jesus... This is not the point. My point is that the myth about Horus must have been so convincing and powerfull that others had to copy it to establish their religion! And it is true that, after having established the new religion the newcomers call old traditions "pagan" and begin to slaugther "pagans". BUT: It shows how old myths, rituals etc. influence new groups, organisations etc.
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 7, 2005 9:35:14 GMT
Ingo
>the holy blood and holy grail hoax
I used that book as a tour guide for France. I found that there was additional material and additional sites not referred to by the authors that connected directly to their theme.
And the energetics of the sites in the book were very clear and powerful to me when I visited - although the authors had no sense of that.
For example, Wagner visited Rennes le Chateau part way through writing Parsifal (his grail ritual opera). Was that coincidence? From what I found there I would doubt it. Wagner knew about the significance of that tiny village before the priest discovered the grail connections.
Fortunately it is not only Masonry that is veiled in allegory - it turns out that much of the sacred in the world is veiled also.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
|
Post by rbartlett on Jul 7, 2005 19:26:00 GMT
Personally I thought once he teamed up with Ferguson the tractor came of age..
S&F
Richard
|
|
ruffashlar
Member
Lodge Milncroft No. 1515 (GLoS), Govanhill Royal Arch Chapter 523 (S.G.R.A.C.S.)
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by ruffashlar on Jul 9, 2005 2:42:08 GMT
In that case Ruff would you say any of them exisited, are all the stories including the Christian's Bible simply Folk Lore
Why not say that every character in folklore really existed? The truth must be somewhere between those two poles.
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 9, 2005 5:04:33 GMT
>Why not say that every character in folklore really existed?
Can Masonic science help us distinguish the Real from the Unreal?
If not, we are studying the wrong spiritual science.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
ruffashlar
Member
Lodge Milncroft No. 1515 (GLoS), Govanhill Royal Arch Chapter 523 (S.G.R.A.C.S.)
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by ruffashlar on Jul 10, 2005 1:07:19 GMT
Can Masonic science help us distinguish the Real from the Unreal?
Russell, Masonic science cannot even help us determine sh!t from shinola. You've proved that many times to my eminent satisfaction. The technique is not appropriate to the situation: you are trying to use a hammer and chisel to make marshmallow.
If not, we are studying the wrong spiritual science.
You don't say?
|
|
|
Post by hollandr on Jul 10, 2005 7:31:14 GMT
Ruff
The path of learning how to devise and conduct experiments in Masonic Science may take lifetimes. To start with we must learn to see past the allegories.
But I have lots of lifetimes left so I don't mind starting.
Cheers
Russell
|
|
ruffashlar
Member
Lodge Milncroft No. 1515 (GLoS), Govanhill Royal Arch Chapter 523 (S.G.R.A.C.S.)
Posts: 2,184
|
Post by ruffashlar on Jul 10, 2005 21:07:48 GMT
You seem to have a lot of bollocks left, too, so you can always have a go at chiselling them when you run out of marshmallow.
|
|
|
Post by taylorsman on Jul 10, 2005 21:33:37 GMT
Ruff, wasn't Gerald Massey that old actor who played the aviator in "Things to Come" and Dr Gillespie in the "Dr Kildare" TV series in the 1960s with Richard Chamberlain in the title role? I even remember that they practiced at BLAIR General Hospital! No, wait a minute, that was RAYMOND Massey! BTW Ruff, as a total aside, given his present high public profile, any bets on ADC Brian Paddick as the next Commissioner of the Met? Now THAT would be turn up for the books, pre 1967 he would have been arrested by the Police not a strong contender to run one of the most famous Constabularies in the World.
|
|