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Post by hollandr on Aug 25, 2005 22:47:35 GMT
>"it eventually boils down to bad Bible scholarship.
>The voice from the burning bush declares itself to be Eheyeh Asher Eheyeh, that is I am that I am, an idiomatic Hebrew expression signifying I become.
>I am what I am, indeed! "
Gosh Ruff you are leading with your chin on this one.
"And God saith unto Moses, `I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, `Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'" King James Authorised
"dixit Deus ad Mosen ego sum qui sum ait sic dices filiis Israhel qui est misit me ad vos" Vulgate (the "qui" is who)
"God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you." Douay-Rheims
"God said to Moshe, "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh ," and added, "Here is what to say to the people of Isra'el: 'Ehyeh has sent me to you.'" " Complete Jewish Bible.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Aug 25, 2005 23:56:30 GMT
Hey - Ruff - apparently Big Daddy (hope He has a sense of humour) has 72 names - do you know them all?
A thought (not mine) - the Truth is so simple that man has to complicate it to understand it...
Cheers Maat
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Post by hollandr on Aug 26, 2005 0:52:07 GMT
Maat The sufi tradition is that god has 99 known names and the 100th is secret. The letter qaf has value of 100 and therefore is used as a cipher for the secret/lost name of god Here is the shape ﻕ or bigger at www.arabic2000.com/arabic/audio/letters/let21.ra As you can see, if you rotate it by 90 degrees and drop the dots it would pass for the letter G hung in our lodges. Thus the letter G may in fact be the arabic Q referring to the secret name of God and that may be the same as the Lost Word. At least that is according to Idries Shah. Cheers Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 26, 2005 1:48:25 GMT
Michael Macrone disambiguates the subject admirably on an American Episcopal website:- Yahweh has already explained to Moses, in a passage by E (Exodus 3: 14), that his name means "I am that I am" -- ehyeh asher ehyeh, an obscure statement that might also be rendered "I will be what I will be" or "I cause that which is to be." (Yahweh probably means both that he is a completely self-sufficient being, and that he is the ultimate source of all other beings.) Transposed into the third person -- "he is who is" or "he who causes what is to be" -- God's statement would read Yahweh asher yihweh, Q.E.D. The form YHWH itself is the standard Hebrew spelling, which only renders consonants. www.gracecathedral.org/enrichment/brush_excerpts/brush_20040218.shtmlThe letter Qaf, Phoenician Quf and Hebrew Qoph, was Hellenised as Kappa, a different sound entirely, but transliterated straight into Latin as Q. If you rotate the cursive Arabic brush letter horizontally, you get a passable impersonation of a Q, complete with tail. The only actual god name of which I am aware beginning with a Q is Quetzalcoatl, who had men sacrificed to him on pyramidal temples in pre-Columbian Central America. Only a few, now and then, mind you, which is good going for an Aztec deity. Practically on a diet that is. But somehow, ...nah.
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Post by hollandr on Aug 26, 2005 3:52:01 GMT
>who had men sacrificed to him on pyramidal temples in pre-Columbian Central America. Only a few, now and then, mind you
I thought Abraham understood sacrafice of people to be a regular practice when he prepared his son for sacrifice - on a fire. These days we might call it a BBQ.
So much for the god of Abraham's fathers
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Aug 26, 2005 4:07:55 GMT
As I said before --- "This interpretation, that interpretation ... All this just goes to show - it's not what's in your head that counts - it's what is in your heart..... (this was the thought that a near death experiencer brought back from 'the Lord')"
Since I posted the above I found the source and will give you the correct statement....
"A lot of people I know are going to be surprised when they find out that the Lord is not interested in theology. He wanted to know what was in my heart, not my head."
A respondent to Raymond Moody in his book on Near Death Experience.
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Post by Yoki on Aug 26, 2005 5:51:39 GMT
Physically we feel with our brain, all impulses are re-laid from the body back to the brain were synaptic connection in the form of electricit lightning produce a thought, these connection are continuous. I have theorised before that maybe the ghost in the machine i.e. the eternal us somehow is able to peer through these connections into the physical. To say we are our hearts is on the whole symbolic or esoteric. If we take for example a broken heart, were it so physically we would die, symbolical we all know it to mean we have lost at love. To say that metaphysically we are our heart is a bit more tricky, this could mean our soul resides there or maybe that we view life from our heart chakra. Or then again we are a being that can give unconditional love. I would say a lot of the assumptions we make about who we really are, is cultural even (for want of a better term) new age ideas which are slowly seeping into our society are based on a slow acceptance and then it becomes current wisdom. I would say the jury is still out on were the observer resides, although personally I believe it to be the head.
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 26, 2005 21:21:33 GMT
"A lot of people I know are going to be surprised when they find out that the Lord is not interested in theology. He wanted to know what was in my heart, not my head."
I'd have that carven in letters two foot deep on my tomb, made in the shape of a Number 19 bus, itinerantly roving the lanes of the dead country, picking up lost ghosts to take home.
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Post by whistler on Aug 28, 2005 20:19:04 GMT
Maat The sufi tradition is that god has 99 known names and the 100th is secret. The letter qaf has value of 100 and therefore is used as a cipher for the secret/lost name of god Russell According to Arab Folk Lore, The superior look on a camels face is because a camel knows thate secret 100th name
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 29, 2005 0:34:15 GMT
Another allusion to the initial G, I think.
Though the morphology of the letter is different, being adapted to the requirements of a brush script, the Arabic gimel is the same as Hebrew, from the Phoenician of the same name, meaning "a camel".
That letter is substantially identical to Greek gamma, which retains the angular shape (like an inverted L in mirror-image) of the original.
However, the camel is its mnemonic because the animal's characteristic hump suggests the original letterform, which was the unbarred A as of an inverted Square.
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Post by ruffashlar on Aug 29, 2005 0:40:00 GMT
P.S., I always thought it was the Sphinx which had the smug, self-satisfied smile, as evidenced by the following anonymous, heavily bowdlerized rhyme:-
The s**ual life of the camel Is stranger than anyone thinks. At the height of the m*ting season He tries to b****r the sphinx. But the sphinx's p***erior sph****er Is all clogged by the sands of the Nile, Which accounts for the hump on the camel And the sphinx's inscrutable smile.
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