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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2005 0:30:12 GMT
Taylorsman - to give you the confidence you will need for this work - make yourself a pendulum ie a ring on a piece of cotton will do. Get something you really like from the fridge (that is good for you) and get a poisonous cleaning agent or whatever and place both about two feet apart on a bench/table.
With pendulum in one hand (hold the thread with thumb and two fingers) use the other to point first to one and then to the other item on the bench and see what happens. You may need a minute or so over each to start. Also you may need to 'expect' the pendulum to move when starting - but don't move your hand.
Then try it out over the RH and LH of your wife or whomever...again see what happens.
It must be pointed out that pendulums are not the 'work of the devil' they are only AMPLIFIERS of the reaction your own body has to external things. No different to getting sunburn... dehydrated etc etc It's just that in some areas the reaction is so subtle that we need some device to register the reaction. Most people can used a pendulum!
Good Luck Maat
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Post by hollandr on Sept 9, 2005 0:42:31 GMT
Maat
Since the question in this case is about the impact on the physical body, it may be as well to put attention in the pelvis while asking the question.
That would help clarify which of the many intelligences around the human was expected to modulate the pendulum
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Sept 10, 2005 18:44:56 GMT
Stewart wrote--- If so it does not explain why I am here trying to do some maintenance work. This brings to mind what a channelled entity replied to my questioning regarding Co Free Masonry. When I asked if their work was effective he replied yes its not play acting they are maintenance workers. I feel that there are increasing numbers of light workers on this planet, but many are just awakening, or are a little lost, or have been trodden down. However there will come a time when the critical point is reached and rebalancing will be possible.
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Post by therondunn on Oct 7, 2005 15:48:17 GMT
Stewart, not to be too much of a wet blanket here, but can we rationally discuss this "energy" thing for a moment?
First, the world is in a better condition than it ever has been, and to imply otherwise is to ignore the historical state of man. The vast populace, until recently, has been hungry, cold, uneducated, crass, daring, bold, caring... look, until recently, most folks went to bed hungry every day, and in vast swaths of the world, that is no longer true.
Bullies are a reality, always have been. The brute side of man is only being noticed NOW because in many cases we are moving away from it enough to SEE it. But Hurricane Katrina and Rita, and other disasters show us that the brute is not far from the surface, nor is the angel in all of us... overall, we are balanced between the two.
Now, as to "energies"... can they be objectively measured? Quantified? Recreated and directed to QUANTIFIABLE results? You "felt" energies in different areas of a lodge. Not to put too fine a point on it, but how much of that feeling has more to do with expectations than reality?
In my opinion only, masonry teaches us very important lessons, gives us a superstructure upon which to build our moral and masonic edifice, gives us exemplars and support in our fellows, and a manner and means of working together to achieve those goals (as ANY military veteran will tell you, any group action undertaken with similar goals, regardless of how pointless the actual actions, will generate comaraderie and fellowship and connection between those who have striven together toward that goal).
The ritual offers us many things, education and commonality are but two of them... we all strive together, doing the same things toward the same goal, a noble purpose to be sure. But what you are implying is "magic"... and since we cannont replicate or even prove these "energies" exist, no less are being generated within a lodge, I just don't know what I am to make of the claim of their existence.
it is not a masonic teaching, for to claim we are working "magic" (which is what you are declaiming with this talk of "energies") is that we ARE a religion... so, help me here. I know that some brothers believe this, Giovanni, whom I have an abiding respect for, and yourself, among other... so, help me believe this, or understand this here...
Understand, I love the fraternity (heck, do a google search under my name and see how much I do for/with the fraternity) and what it represents and can do as a force for good in the world, and acknowledge that we are, in many ways, astray from our purpose. We have become a social club, a Rotary with Regalia, but I know we can recover, and firmly believe, based on my experience (albeit limited) that masonry is really on the cusp of a revival...
but, energy/magic???
thanks for helping.
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Post by giovanni on Oct 7, 2005 16:18:24 GMT
... but, energy/magic??? thanks for helping. no, dear, just physics
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Post by therondunn on Oct 7, 2005 17:21:59 GMT
Ok, I am a scientist... can you SHOW me those energies? Magnetic, electrical, gravitometric, in some measurable way?
Call me Thomas if you must...
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Post by giovanni on Oct 7, 2005 17:25:51 GMT
Do you pray?
What is prayer, if not a form of energy seeking a major one to receive relief?
Read again what I wrote with regard to the Union's Chain
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Post by therondunn on Oct 7, 2005 17:27:52 GMT
Hmmm, prayer... I see it as talking to my creator. I do not pray FOR things to occur, G-d is not a magic Jinn. I pray: Not my will but yours in all things, but if you can, grant me a modicum of understanding of your will that I may be a better servant.
I did read Union's Chain, and as a result of it, am now asking about "energy". I am seeking further light.
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Post by taylorsman on Oct 7, 2005 17:55:02 GMT
Prayer? The Raising up of the Heart and Mind to GOD.
That is a definition I learned many years ago and which I still find satisfactory. I also believe that Prayer contains Energy and Power and I have seen people's sufferings both physical and mental/emotional relieved if not totally cured in some cases by the Power of Prayer, should that be the Will of God.
There is also the motto of our old "friends" the Jesuits "Ad majorem Dei gloriam", = "To the greater Glory of God" and I feel that energy and effort expended by Man in Praise of God and to His Glory not only had Power at the time but that this is channelled and magnified and even stored by Artifacts, Buildings, Music etc dedicated to God, the Great Architect of the Universe by whatever name your culture or religion may call the Almighty. Thus the work of our Ancient Brethern the Stonemasons of old in the Great Churches and Cathedrals, and before that in the Temples and Pyramids, if we are sensitive to such emanations.
I feel that God listens to us, but alas we often do not listen to Him nor recognise His answers, especially if they are not what we want to hear.
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Post by a on Oct 7, 2005 17:58:14 GMT
Theron
I will answer here later, as I need to go to Karate now and the answer is likely to be a long one.
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Post by a on Oct 7, 2005 21:42:23 GMT
OK Theron - here goes. I have kept this as succinct as possible, but I have had to leave out so much, otherwise it would be pages long. So please come back on anything, and I will work through it point by point. Stewart, not to be too much of a wet blanket here, but can we rationally discuss this "energy" thing for a moment? Of course. Sadly that is true, and is worsening. You may not see it in the declining though wealthy Western world, but from a global perspective (from the peoples perspective) it is true, and is getting so bad that some predict wars over water in a few years time. Again sadly we are not balanced, for if we were then the worst aspects of humanity would not present themselves. We are less accepting, more demanding and more questioning, and we expect our human rights to be met. It is more like a pendulum. Now before I start on energies a few general comments:- 1. You may have read on forums, from Freemasons about energy flows both in and out of Lodge environments. So if you are ready you could explore this within the esoteric societies. 2. Energy work is an individual thing, different people can see and do different things, the skills are not shared by everyone. 3. Energy flows are all around you - here are some common examples:- - When you fall in love - true love - not the "I don't want to be lonely so he/she will do" love. The power of true natural love is a very potent force. Possibly the strongest force of all. - You may have heard about Martial Arts masters who could move people many metres with a small movement of their hand. They do this through harnessing their Ki. Not an easy skill to learn. - Sports coaching. Many top athletes and sport people spend as much time, if not more, on willing themself to win, than actual old fashioned training. A footballer may visualise the perfect kick in detail, down to the tiniest movements, time and time again. This does enhance performance dramatically. It works because you are accessing and manipulating your energy expectations. A bit like the 4 minute mile - impossible to break until Banister did it, then several more did it quickly thereafter. The impossible was now possible so people did it. The did it because they were able through belief to access the energy. There are many more examples out there. I don't know I have never tried. Perhaps your Magi in your esoteric societies in your jurisdiction, or someone else on this forum could answer that. But in principle I guess so. This is something that I have been researching for years. And I have been discussing off and on with a scientist to see how this could be tested, fairly. So leave this one with me. The biggest problem is that if you are blind to energy it would take something pretty spectacular to make you believe, but if you have accessed the energy grid then you just know (well once you work this out, before that you are just baffled). Another problem is that some things take time (eg learning to coordinate your energies in a dojo), and things don't always fall into place - eg in the dojo, sometimes you re in the zone sometimes you are not. Well the first time it happened I did not know what to make of it, so I described it to the men I was with (in a buff lodge above a pub) and it turns out that what I described was well known in that spot, they were gobsmacked that I had picked up on it. The first time I felt it in a lodge I did not know what to make of it. The second time I had a Grand Master with me and he listened. Equally I would love to have felt something in UGLEs Egyptian temple - but not a sausage. I can't argue with any of that. Magic is all around you - from Mother nature to the sheer power of words. Well on this forum in the past, and I appreciate that you have not been here, Freemasons have confirmed and outlined energy flows in their lodges. Perhaps you should visit such a lodge. I think that if you open your heart here in time you may be in for some hopefully pleasant suprises. Are you in all orders and fraternities? I accept that it may not be part of your fraternity but that does not mean that it does not exist within Freemasonry. It is my opinion that Freemasonry transcends all religions and it does not matter one iota what your religion is. Personally I do not see Freemasonry as being a religion. But I do see it as a way of coming to know yourself, which ultimately will mean that you come in touch with Divinity. But this is not the same as religion. One of the biggest surprises of my life was after a life of searching for meaning, I found that when I found the answer - the answer was within me. As it is within you, and every other person and thing in existence. What you are looking for is yourself - but you will have to find it to know it. Which is why there are problems and issues. And the answer is to match the theory and practice once again. Back to basics. It is, and it is a lot closer than most seem to think. But you need to take a step, that you need to work out for yourself. But your window for doing this is rapidly closing, and when it does you will keep going but improvement will be much much harder going. It is not occult, sorcery, type magic Theoron. But the magic of Nature, the magic or yourself. Have a read back through threads on this forum and email your brothers privately. Hopefully some will assist and guide. The trouble is Theoron it is a big step and a lot of responsibility comes with it. Heaps of responsibility. For when you come to understand all of this stuff well if you have a good heart your intentions will be different than if you have a bad heart. And it is a significant responsibility. Don't try to force it, just find a brother who is willing to confirm its reality to you, and listen. Though I realise that particularly in the US there is a strong tendency of not talking until you are "in" so to speak. But read the threads here, and email. Hopefully someone will offer a few comforting words. Even if it is just ignore that bloke Stewart he doesn't know what he is talking about. I hope that I have. As I said above come back with specific points and I will try to expand. Let me give you an example, one which I have posted several times on forums. I once found myself emotionally bonding with a snake, I could feel its emotions and we communicated so well. It really opened up to me. Now you have to understand that I had a phobia about snakes, so this suprised me somewhat. Anyhow to me this was magic. But all it was was us connecting on a base energy level. And no I can not do it to command. Pity it would be nice if I could. Here is the thing though Theoron, whether you believe this or not it does not matter, for I know. And in trying to find evidence for it I went to a conference where there was a lot of scientific evidence to show that dogs and farm animals can read their owners minds even at great distance. Even the skeptical scients who tried to disprove the tests when they repeated them got positive results. Apparently. So you see Theoron Science is coming to accept what was once considered to be Magic. But then again writing was once considered Magic, as was thunder and lightening.
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 7, 2005 23:08:19 GMT
Now, as to "energies"... can they be objectively measured? Quantified? Recreated and directed to QUANTIFIABLE results? You "felt" energies in different areas of a lodge. Not to put too fine a point on it, but how much of that feeling has more to do with expectations than reality? Theron What I do is believe my own experiences because at the end of the day I am the only thing I can be 100% certain of. I joined an esoteric order, it is not important what order it was. I had little idea of what to expect and had absolutely no idea who was in the Temple when I was led in blindfolded. As soon as the ceremony started I became acutely conscious of an unbelievable calm feeling around the left side of my body, as I listened intently to the ritual (which was incredibly interesting) I became fascinated even distracted by this feeling of absolute calmness. During the next 10 minutes I was kneeling (I have a very bad back and this is extremely uncomfortable) and as usual I wanted to keep moving to stay comfortable again I felt this fantastic calmness from my left. Anyway after 15 minutes a voice spoke from my left and it was female. I never knew but as soon as she spoke I could tell thethings I were feeling were being generated from her. Now if someone had told me 5 years ago that this would be something I would experience I would of laughed at them! I cannot prove this to anyone. But I had no expectation and no prior knowledge. I dont need measurements I felt it and thats good enough for me. The whole experience opened my eyes to energy in the Temple and also the positives of having a balance. This was the first time I had ever been in a Temple with a Female, I can happily say it wasn't the last.
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Post by hollandr on Oct 7, 2005 23:44:36 GMT
>can you SHOW me those energies? Magnetic, electrical, gravitometric, in some measurable way?
Theron
It is a good question but you may wish to consider if a physical instrument will measure a non-physical energy.
As the human race recovers the techniques of manipulating etheric and astral energies, the first requirement is to obtain an instrument that is sensitive to those energies.
And as you might guess from your spiritual studies, the human is the starting point for all observations. Thus the human needs to cleanse the etheric nervous system before he or she can distinguish internal noise from external signal.
The same principle works on astral levels. The human with turbulent emotions is hardly likely to detect subtle external signals.
So the first steps for the would-be spiritual scientist include:
- clean diet - rhythmic life style (based on the sun) - ethical income source - right relationships
As these exist, the etheric and astral nervous systems are cleansed and the human is able to distinguish the internal from the external energies.
Or to put it another way, the path of righteousness is the path of the spiritual scientist
And there are any number of web sources to get you started with the technicalities of energy detection.
Once you can detect for yourself you might like to investigate etheric engineering sites of which there are many
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Oct 8, 2005 13:20:10 GMT
In a vein similar to the example cited by Middlepillar, but which illustrates the importance of responsibility. I was once at a day conference, it was badly attended and there were many spare seats. Anyhow during one of the presentations I felt a pain a bit like a knife in my back (bet there are a few reading this would would like that!!!! . Anyhow I moved and squirmed and eventually had to move seats. And having moved several times I triangulated the source of the pain, for no matter where I sat, the entry point of the pain moved to align from specific direction.. It was a woman. I ummed and ahed about approaching her and asking her to stop. But this is a daft thing to say to someone that you have never met. There was an acquaintance at the talk and I chatted to him about it, and a few minutes later plucked up the courage to make a fool out of myself. There were several witnesses to what happened next. She listened, apologized, explained that she was a healer, and "closed herself down". We had a very interesting chat. Now several issues come out of this as to why I felt this pain coming from her. But you can work them out yourself. But this illustrates responsibility in many different ways. Think about it.
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Post by hollandr on Oct 8, 2005 21:50:31 GMT
Stewart
I have experienced or witnessed similar attacks, sometimes from people thought long left in the past.
In one case, the attack energy was reflected to the attacker some miles away and we happened to have friend standing with the attacker at the minute when the energy was reflected. The attacker went white and had to sit down. After that the attacks ceased.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Oct 9, 2005 9:22:28 GMT
Russell
I understand.
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