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Post by Paddy on Jan 17, 2005 7:11:36 GMT
greetings people i stumbled accross this word while doing a bit of research anyone know about the origins and meaning iv only done a few hrs study into it looks interesting leads into many other things. like solomons temple, the knights templar i also found this "The Dome of the Rock is an architectural expression of the ascendancy of Islam. The interior glass mosaics in the drum and dome contain representations of Byzantine imperial jewelry, and one of the ornate inscriptions affirms that God is One and not three; and that Jesus was an apostle of God and His Word, and not His son." forgive me if this is off path please provide some light on this topic. regards Quantum Postman
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Post by staffs on Jan 17, 2005 7:13:45 GMT
Quantum.I have personally never heard of this but maybe some of the others can shed some light.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 17, 2005 7:53:16 GMT
Is that not the name given to the Mosque built over the site of Herod's Temple and thus a sacred place both to Islam and Judiaism?
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Post by Paddy on Jan 17, 2005 8:45:45 GMT
that is correct taylorsman. it mite not have direct links to FM as of yet(coz im in the early stages of study) but im someone who gathers information and link them together like a jigsaw. it mite sound not that interseting to some but id thought id post it anyway.
Regards Quantum Postman
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Post by hollandr on Jan 17, 2005 10:40:14 GMT
Quantum
You have discovered something rather interesting.
The word "Elohim" in Genesis is generally translated in Christian scriptures as God .. for example, and God said let Us make man in Our image and likeness.
Clearly there are translation issues.
Now the word Elohim is actually a female word Eloha (goddesses) with a male ending -im. So roughly translates as the gods and goddesses.
Hebrew of course does not have vowels (other than Aleph - representing A or E, and Jod represented in English as I or J or Y). Hebrew for a long time did not even use points to indicate sounds so the reader had to know what word was meant by the collection of consonants. (The letters of course did double duty as numbers so there were some fun mathematical games to hide meanings from the profane.)
Any way ELOHA in Hebrew is Aleph, Lamed, Heh, Aleph - that is ALHA.
Of course it was written from Right to Left.
So do we start to recognise ALHA? Surely there is no God but ALHA?
Hence the Elohim of Genesis is etymologically identical to Allah.
And perhaps the two religions had the same set of gods.
And as we became monotheistic (probably an alien influence on their blood line descendents) both theologies conveniently forgot the plurality of the original gods.
Anyway that is my take on it - and not being an expert I may well stand to be corrected.
So basically Islam and Judaism come from the same source - same gods and same Abraham
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 17, 2005 10:44:49 GMT
Indeed so Russell and this accords with the idea that both of these Great Religions came from the Patriarch Abraham, one being the Jewish religion and people via Isaac (Israel) and the other which untimately became Islam from Ishmael, his son by Hagar the bondswoman. Christianity of course came out of the Jewish faith.
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Post by leonardo on Jan 17, 2005 12:05:42 GMT
Quantum, This link might be of interest: al-Aksa
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Post by Paddy on Jan 18, 2005 2:32:56 GMT
you are very informative Russell. i dont really have much to say in reply to some of your post but thanks for your very informative input.
i dont know if this forum has a thread for topics like this i think it should would be a good place for people to be more diverse in what they are learning.
Regards Quantum Postman
"The possession of knowledge does not kill the sense of wonder and mystery. There is always more mystery." Anais Nin
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 24, 2005 8:01:58 GMT
Of course, al-Aksa (usually, and more accurately, al-Aqsa) is The Rock, i.e., the cliff or hill of Zion itself. Note also:-
Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam...
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Post by Paddy on Jan 25, 2005 2:59:45 GMT
Interseting, but you forgot a translation ruffashlar.
not to worry ;D
Foxe text translation:
Thou art Peter, and vpon this stone I wil builde my Churche: that is to say, vppon this stone.
well i hope this is close anyway
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 25, 2005 23:59:26 GMT
"You are Peter [petrus = a rock], and upon this stone I will build my church."
That's a literal translation of St Jerome's Vulgate. Sorry, it's just such a well-known passage I thought people would recognise its import at sight.
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