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Post by jmd on Mar 28, 2005 4:26:46 GMT
So as one steps from Malkut 'outwards from centre to periphery in ever-more encompassing spheres of DElimiting girdles', one nears the En Sof.
...I would certainly welcome criticism as to how this is in possible error.
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 28, 2005 22:14:48 GMT
delimitv 1: determine the essential quality of [syn: specify, define, delineate, delimitate] 2: be opposite to; of angles and sides, in geometry [syn: subtend] 3: set, mark, or draw the boundaries of something [syn: demarcate, delimitate]. (source, < dictionary.reference.com/search?q=delimit >) Delimit doesn't mean the same as de-limit (if that is indeed a word); if anything, it has the opposite meaning from the one you apparently intended. Honestly, I wasn't being pedantic (Pedantic? I?). If I'd thought that was the sense of what you had meant, I wouldn't have commented.
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Post by jmd on Mar 29, 2005 9:29:56 GMT
And I do stand corrected in the usage of my word, in which the original had the hyphen, which I then, and without properly reflecting, dropped.
So thankyou for pointing it out, and will at some stage find the time to insert that hyphen back within de-limit.
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2005 8:51:18 GMT
Brethren,
Getting back to the original question, I agree with Ruffashlar when he said that there were 72 names for G-d. Firstly there is the famous Kabbalistic (however you wish to spell it) interpretation of Exodus 14, verses 19 to 21.
Each verse contains 72 letters. What they did was to permutated this text reading the first verse from right to left (as it should be) the second from left to right (backwards) and the third from right to left. Bu taking the first (right hand) letter of the first verse, the first (left hand) letter of the second and the first (right hand) letter of the third, they compiled the first “name”. Then they proceeded to the second letters and so forth.
Hit Google with “72 names” and you will find an abundance of information including the effects found in the Flower of Life and Sacred Geometry. For example, the Star of David is more mystical than you may think and also shows the name of G-d to compute to 72.
Another thought for you:
The Hebrew letter for the great name: Yod (10) Heh (5), Vav (6), Heh (5) adds up to 26.
The middle column of the Tree of Life: Keter (1) +Tiferet (6) +Yesod (9) +Malkuth (10) adds up to 26
The English name for the Almighty: G(7) + O(15) + D(4) adds up to 26
And finally, the mystical numbers of 3, 5 and 7 in Freemasonry can be so computed: ( 3 * 7 ) + 5 = 26
Is this all coincidence (doesn’t exist!) or is it simply wild speculation?
I would be interested in your reactions.
S&FG
Phil
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Post by giovanni on Jul 7, 2005 9:11:13 GMT
I beg your pardon Phil, but I don't understand if there is any link between 26 and 72.
Could you enlighten me?
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2005 9:47:44 GMT
There isn't. It's just a separate computation. I included it to stimulate thought about relationships, that's all.
Sorry if I mislead you in the proces Giovanni. Forgive me?!
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Post by giovanni on Jul 7, 2005 10:00:59 GMT
Ego absolvo te...
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Post by staffs on Jul 9, 2005 8:01:28 GMT
PHIL WROTE : Brethren,
Getting back to the original question, I agree with Ruffashlar when he said that there were 72 names for G-d. Firstly there is the famous Kabbalistic (however you wish to spell it) interpretation of Exodus 14, verses 19 to 21.
Each verse contains 72 letters. What they did was to permutated this text reading the first verse from right to left (as it should be) the second from left to right (backwards) and the third from right to left. Bu taking the first (right hand) letter of the first verse, the first (left hand) letter of the second and the first (right hand) letter of the third, they compiled the first “name”. Then they proceeded to the second letters and so forth.
Can someone provide a link to this text ? and how strange that exodus 14 also refers to those pilllars of fire and cloud ?
And are the appearance of those pillars the appearance of God in another form ?
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Post by phil on Jul 9, 2005 9:16:52 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Jul 10, 2005 7:28:07 GMT
> I agree with Ruffashlar when he said that there were 72 names for G-d.
Idries Shah says there are 99 known names and the 100th name is secret and represented by the Arabic letter Q (numerical value 100).
And the arabic Q if rotated through a right angle looks rather like the peculiarly shaped G that we see in many lodges (at least in Australia).
If so, the so-called G in the lodge is a symbol for the lost word - at least if the lost word was the secret name of the god.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by phil on Jul 10, 2005 8:31:05 GMT
I would like to encourage Br:. Russel and others to consider the following.
When we talk about the name of the Almighty or, as in Freemasonry, the lost word, are we really talking about an interpretation of aphabetic symbols (letters) or are we (should we be) talking about the emotional significance, the conscious awareness, the spiritual contact with the GAOTU. That which rally dwells in the heart of a Mason and is the only true secret of Masonry.
Just a thought to ponder upon for your Sunday pleasure.
S&FG
Phil
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 11, 2005 0:45:44 GMT
As Johnny Nash used to sing (perhaps he still does, wherever he is), There Are More Questions Than Answers.
Finding the questions to ask is as important as the answers we find. Asking one good question in the right place can change lives.
And so perhaps the symbol we ought to revere should be the Question Mark (?)
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Post by hollandr on Jul 11, 2005 22:29:08 GMT
>the lost word, are we really talking about an interpretation of aphabetic symbols
Phil
I think it is pretty clear that the lost word is an allegory. But hopefully the allegory is well chosen and serves as a veil which when penetrated opens the way.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by phil on Jul 12, 2005 13:06:06 GMT
I fully agree with you Russell
S&FG
Phil
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Post by cezarek on Jul 12, 2005 13:53:42 GMT
Bro Russell, Come on chaps, think of ancient dieties whose names would start with Jod, or its equivalent to other languages. You're right, it does sound like Jove. Surely this is a co-incidence? S & F Jon
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Post by giovanni on Jul 12, 2005 14:02:00 GMT
Brethren all
Jove in Latin is Juppiter and stems from Sanskrit Djaus pter. Dj means "light". So "Father of light".
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 12, 2005 15:32:51 GMT
I think the more immediate derivation, certainly the one the Latins themselves conceived of, was that Iuppiter was a contraction of Iovus Pater, Father Jove. As Roman god-names tended to be grimly functional, the name Jove may well be related both to jus, an oath (the god of oaths) and to jubeo, jubere, to give orders (the boss god).
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Post by giovanni on Jul 12, 2005 16:32:16 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Jul 12, 2005 22:09:16 GMT
Blavatsky refers to an altar in the Old Testament dedicated to Jehovah-Nisi (Nisi and Sinai being identical therefore Jehovah of Sinai). She says that Jehovah-Nisi is the same as Dionysis and that is the same as Bacchus.
So according to her Jehovah is the god of wine.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 13, 2005 4:17:55 GMT
Gio',
I'd see the sense of that, if only the Latin original hadn't been cited as Iupeter, instead of Iuppiter, and the word itself only recorded as late as c. 1205.
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