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Post by Thegnostic on Jan 24, 2005 19:04:26 GMT
Greeting Seekers,
Well, old Fulcanelli has found a list that suits his taste and stilmulated him into making an appearance.
AB-RA-CA-DAB-RA, I will create as I speak - (Hebrew) numerical value 365 AB-RA-XAS - Father - Sun/Light - Saviour - (Greek) numerical value 365
What do you think seekers? Coincidence?
The Gnostic
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 24, 2005 21:04:37 GMT
Yes. Of course, nothing is coincidental when you see omens and purpose in everything. Quite apart from this, there is the fact that the Hebrew calendar is lunar, and attaches no significance to the number of days in a solar year. I also think that, whatever Abracadabra does mean, bound up with abra (creating) and kedabra(speaking) is the implied word achad, unity. Added Tues., 26th January 04: www.pantheon.org/articles/a/abracadabra.html" The archetypal voce magica, a magical word. Despite popular myth to the contrary, it is of non-Jewish origin. It has no known semantic meaning. " - Rabbi Geoffrey W. Dennis
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 25, 2005 10:31:02 GMT
With you on this Gnostic. I know that this word has been cheapened by the Stage and TV antics of so called magicians , more properly referred to as Conjurors. It does however have a resonance and your tying it to 365 has significance to say the least.
BTW I understand we have met at Sutton.
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Post by Thegnostic on Jan 26, 2005 18:43:54 GMT
Greetings Ruffashlar,
Respect your opinion and very interesting that you quote Rabbi G.W.Dennis as your source for "no known semantic meaning"
Well my source is acknowledged to be just behind Gershom Scholem as the leading modern Hebrew Scholar and that is Ayreh Kaplan, the interpretation taken from his translation of Sefer Yetzirah.
Ruff, its like everything else in life, we all have our own interpretations of that what we feel is correct. I respect all opinions as long as they do not incorrectly insist theirs is right.
To follow up on the significance of the number 365, as you are aware 365 makes a circle, and the circle is a symbol of regeneration, also the letter O which signifys no beginning or end etc etc... The point I making is that by linking the number 365 with Creation myths or legends - call it what you will - we arrive at a common denominator. I did not mention that Hebrew Lunar year in my posting as I was coming more from the Creation side, but interesting that you mention it. I have worked out another Kabbalistic meaning - 365 can be made to equal 5 (3+6+5) = 14 then (1+4) = 5. The Hebrew number 5 is called Heh meaning Window, so what significance can be drawn from this in the Creation myths. More thought and opinions?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 29, 2005 16:10:06 GMT
"you quote Rabbi G.W.Dennis as your source [...] my source is acknowledged to be just behind Gershom Scholem as the leading modern Hebrew Scholar and that is Ayreh Kaplan"
My dog's bigger than your dog, is that it? ;D
Well, in a sense, there's no disputing what Abracadabra means: it's the best-known word of conjuration. I don't think it's lost any power for all that. It has a deep resonance of thaumaturgical portent in the subconscious, and has sonorous, mnemonic power.
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Post by whistler on Jan 31, 2005 3:42:59 GMT
" [ Well, in a sense, there's no disputing what Abracadabra means: it's the best-known word of conjuration. I don't think it's lost any power for all that. It has a deep resonance of thaumaturgical portent in the subconscious, and has sonorous, mnemonic power. Please translate for thickies like me
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 31, 2005 6:22:12 GMT
It's the first magic word most people learn. So, it comes straight out of your recollection without a struggle, from the child part of the brain, where beliefs remain long after the adult may have thrown them off. For this reason, it could be said to have a strength of will and creative imagination bound up with it which is lacking in other magic invocations.
Then again, J K Rowling has done an inestimable service to us by creating fantasy spell-words for specific tasks which go right down into the hardwiring of the memory. Twenty years from now, some grown-up kid is going to search deep down in his soul for something impressive to say that will drive his or her demons of doubt flying away. And that kid is going to come out with Avada Kedavra! - the curse of death - and will fear no more.
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Post by Thegnostic on Jan 31, 2005 18:28:31 GMT
Hi Ruff,
So you was never a "COW A BUNGER" green ninga Turtle then.... or a Trekie..... or a Hobbitt....... or a Simpson..... <LOL>
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 2, 2005 6:05:36 GMT
I enjoy Raphael, Michelangelo, Donatello and Leonardo alright - but without Splinter.
And my magic words, anail nathrach, uathbhais beith thuinn, dochiel deanamh e...
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Post by bevan on Feb 2, 2005 13:52:36 GMT
ruff, I was always taught the magic word was "please"... ;D
As far as Merlin is concerned, someone once suggested to me that it was a title and not an actual person...?
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 3, 2005 15:32:58 GMT
It is in fact a deliberate mistransliteration by Geoffrey of Monmouth from Welsh Myrddin to Latin Merlinus, to avoid the ludicrous sound of the latinisation Merdinus, which would have been an accidental pun on merda, "excrement". Merlin would otherwise have been known to Latin readers as The Man of 5hit. As to the name itself, the following link - www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tomgreen/myrddin.htm- fascinatingly reveals that, originally a Wild-Man-of-the-Woods kind of legendary figure from Scotland (called Lailoken, incidentally), when his tale was transplanted to Wales it became attached to the history of a pre-existent civil originator figure called Myrddin. This fellow had apparently been invented to explain why Carmarthen - caer fyrddin, "town of Myrddin" - bore this name.
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Post by imakegarb on May 17, 2006 12:56:48 GMT
Speaking of Aryeh Kaplan . . .
. . . Oh, I love resurrecting old threads. Especially when I actually have something relevant to contribute . . .
Aryeh Kaplan talks about AB-RA-CA-DAB-RA, or as he spells it, ABrA K'ADaBRA, in Hebrew: aleph bet resh aleph
chaf aleph dalet bet' resh aleph
He points out that that ABrA K'ADaBRA contains the word "bara", which means to create. The remaining letters add up to 26, the numerical value of the Tetragrammaton.
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Post by ruffashlar on May 17, 2006 23:52:41 GMT
He points out that that ABrA K'ADaBRA contains the word "bara", which means to create
Well, in the dialect of Scots English we speak in Glasgow, bara is the thing you kert your tawties and neeps in efter ye've dug them oot the dreel. And I don't think that's any more significant to the argument; or any less, for that matter.
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Post by imakegarb on May 18, 2006 6:15:29 GMT
(squinting) K, most of my ancestors were Scotts. I suppose I should know this already but . . . A "tawtie", I think, is a potato. What's a neep? And a dreel? Is it anything like: "We sang'em thar taters an' ungyuns outer the lazy risins, then heft'em inter a'poke aften they's good. Ifn' y'wait too long, they'll go blinky" That's how they talk where I come from. And we're a Scott-Irish-descended crowd in those hills, so I imagine you had no trouble at all with the above
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Post by taylorsman on May 18, 2006 8:20:24 GMT
I took "The Noblest Prospect" as Dr Johnson put it, in 1972 and am now assimilated and greatly Anglicised. Accordingly I have long abandoned speaking what they call the "Doric" up there North of Hadrian's Wall. I find it difficult to understand the speech of many Glaswegians these days when I visit my father up there.
I will try to translate as best I can, but would refer you back to Ruff who is a cunning linguist amongst other things.
You are correct that tawtie or tottie as it is often spelt is a potato and a neep is a turnip or swede. Dreel I would imagine is earth or soil.
As Weegies would say "I speak with a pan-loaf accent" or "live up a walley close" and as they "Sex is what they use to carry coal in Corstorphine"
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Post by maat on May 18, 2006 23:49:31 GMT
Have not really thought about ABRAcadaABRA before. Is there any significance to the significance of it starting and ending with Father Sun.
AB = Father RA = universally-worshipped king of the gods and all-father of creation. A sun god, he was said to command the chariot that rode across the sky during the day. A king, he was the patron of the pharaoh. He is the only god, apart from Osiris, who is definitely said to be not on the earth. Patron of: the sun, heaven, kingship, power, light.... all CREATION words.
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Post by imakegarb on May 19, 2006 5:45:51 GMT
Ummmmm, wow!! If nothing else, it's a very kewl observation. Sweet, Ma'at.
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Post by ruffashlar on May 19, 2006 6:20:33 GMT
Ah, well, the point I think I was making is that if devout Catholics can see Mother Teresa in a Chelsea bun, and staunch Muslims interpret the veins in a tomato as lines of Qur'anic text, you can identify Abracadabra as an exhortation of Abraxas if you want, and I can read it as an accidentally distorted rendition of the interrogation izzat a mara inyar bara kuhlara?!.
Dreel I would imagine is earth or soil.
Close: a dreel is a drill, or ridge of soil thrown up by a plough, wherein potatoes are usually sown.
As Weegies would say "I speak with a pan-loaf accent" or "live up a walley close" and as they "Sex is what they use to carry coal in Corstorphine"
Weegies only exist in the imaginations of Edinbuggers ;D - we are Glaswegians, though the pronunciation of the opening syllable is often recorded as glezz-.
P.S., Corstorphine is the place you have to drive towards if you want to get to Edinburgh from Glasgow: they seem to have rerouted all Edinburgh-bound traffic out of Glasgow so that it scoots right past Edinburgh itself.
Thank heaven for small mercies ;D
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Post by imakegarb on May 19, 2006 15:08:29 GMT
You do and you'll clean it up ;D
And . . .
. . .if separation from the Infinite is an illusion, and we're not actually separated at all . . .
. . .if the Infinite is everywhere, in everything and everything is in the Infinite . . .
. . . then if you see God in your chocolate chip cookie, you do. And if you don't, you don't.
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Post by imakegarb on Oct 12, 2006 8:04:10 GMT
This just in . . . ;D
A bud of mine gifted me with a copy of "A Dictionary of Symbols" by J.E. Cirlot, translated from the Spanish by Jack Sage, published in 1962.
In the A section is written:
Well, I couldn't get the triangle to work out in here so it would look as it does in the book but you can get the idea. Must as the Tetragrammaton is formed. So there's another scholar in the mix ;D
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