I was thinking in terms of a different planetary or solar system
But I suppose that not all humans might have dense physical bodies. Certainly there are legends of the human race on Earth being separated into 2 branches - one on the surface and one inside the Earth. And the ones inside the Earth are reputed to move through solid matter as we would move through water.
Greek legends refer to this "As she reached down to pluck it from its resting place, her feet began to tremble and the earth was split in two. ............From this gaping crevice in the ground emerged Hades, the awe-inspiring god of the underworld"
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Unfortunately I have never seen anything that proves the existence of life anywhere other than here on this planet. I wish there was irrefutable proof because I'd dearly like to know for certain that "we are not alone." Mathematically, of course, it does seem probable; the Universe is so huge, etc.. also we are told there are other Universes beyond this one where there may also be life.
Lots of supposition but no actual proof.
I appreciate there are those who believe wholeheartedly in the existence of life beyond this earth, and some who even believe they were abducted by Aliens. But other than anecdotal evidence I have yet to be convinced any of this is true.
But then again, it matters little what I think of such matters. Others believe it so and for them it is true.
I don't dismiss the possibility entirely. Just because I don't know doesn't mean it isn't so.
>Is this question perhaps no more or less meaningful than asking, "So what is the essence that makes a being feline?"
That also is an interesting question and perhaps could be the subject of another thread
For some reason this is a particularly difficult thread to keep on track
I start to wonder if the question is too hard
It's the same question:
>Could we take something well known - lets say a cat or any other commonly observed being - and demonstrate how its characteristics define its identity?
It appears there are no takers. I am not surprised. No matter how you describe the characteristics to define identity there are always exceptions through genetic variation, accident or mutation.
Thus we finish with a loop: A cat is a being that ought to have the characteristics of a cat but may not actually have them all. Thus catness is a transcendental identity that generates a range of characteristics most of which are shared by beings currently classified as Felis silvestris catus.
The taxonomy is occasionally reviewed - potentially dividing or aggregating species
What you are advocating is Plato's Forms, that reality is a reflection of archetypes, which exist in another dimension in perfection, and that the world around us is an imperfect copy of these archetypes.
What I am advocating is Aristotle's logic, that reality exists as we precieve it. What is, is. A is A.
A cat exists. It has form that we precieve and define as cat. It is the general charactaristics of cat, not the particular variations thereof, that define it as cat. That a specific cat has an injury or mutation does not invalidate its identity as cat.
A characteristic is an aspect of an existent. It is not a disembodied, Platonic universal. Just as a concept cannot mean existents apart from their identity, so it cannot mean identities apart from that which exists. Existence is Identity.
The concept "identity" does not indicate the particular natures of the existents it subsumes; it merely underscores the primary fact that they are what they are.
Your statement that catness is a trancendental identity is gibberish.
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sbs59: Can someone help me with this question. I was a Master Mason for 4 years until last year. My father died and i left the Masons as i was depressed about his death. Can i now re join a lodge?
May 21, 2019 10:07:41 GMT
The Ancient: sbs59: Were you suspended for non payment of dues? if so, square up and petition the lodge for a restatement vote. If your dues are current, your still a member. In this case, it is all about the Benjamins.
May 27, 2019 0:49:07 GMT