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Post by generalpike on Aug 29, 2005 20:17:55 GMT
I think it's a nice Forum too.
Although I think it's members do it an injustice by being prone to slagging off other Forums that aren't as liberal. It's not actually a "failing" to have stricter rules, it merely makes it "different"!
GP
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Post by billmcelligott on Aug 29, 2005 20:28:49 GMT
The more Forums the more Freemasonry will be made acceptable to some that are not comfortable with it.
It is not good to have various camps in which only some may enter or feel comfortable. "Support all Masonic forums" is my battle cry.
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Post by staffs on Aug 29, 2005 20:33:59 GMT
I think it's a nice Forum too. Although I think it's members do it an injustice by being prone to slagging off other Forums that aren't as liberal. It's not actually a "failing" to have stricter rules, it merely makes it "different"! GP GP without being dragged in by your net and avoiding the obvious bait so well ptesented i must state briefly that having read back through the posts on this board i failed to read and the names of any other forums that members here are supposedly slagging off but could generally only find good words and praise for ALL the other fora that so obviously exist in harmony amongst us all and are posted to by quite a few of the same people who visit each forum. Example : The more Forums the more Freemasonry will be made acceptable to some that are not comfortable with it. It is not good to have various camps in which only some may enter or feel comfortable. "Support all Masonic forums" is my battle cry. and I posted once or twice to another forum, and found the moderators were really negative. I couldn't understand quite where they were coming from, and noticed that they'd delated so many messages that some threads were impossible to follow. This forum is positive, open and welcoming. AND It does seem to have a good balance here - those who wish to discuss the more esoteric side of things can do so without the loud chorus of noise that greets such postings elsewhere. All the forums do an excellent job in providing a service to freemasonry and the wider community, I have learnt much and been able to make some excellent friends. And of all the reasons posted above it has to be the "Great Admin of the forum'verse" that does it for me.....the glint of light from the lodge candles off his head were truely magical at his raising..... ;D ;D Since November and the start of this forum i think there has only been about two threads deleted and no locked threads. Posters have the freedom to make their own choice as to where they post and will have their preferred choice of forum if it provides adequate to there individual requirements and we are respectful of that fact at MFOL. BUT ; all said and done do we not all exist to help each other and our fellow man and apply that cement with the trowel each with a different action and style. ? Nuff Said !
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Post by generalpike on Aug 29, 2005 20:45:13 GMT
GP without being dragged in by your net,i have read back through the posts on this board and cannot see the names of any other forums mentioned that are supposedly being slagged off but generally only good words and praise for the other forimas that do exist in harmony amongst us all. Since November and the start of this forum i think there has only been about two threads deleted and no locked threads. You seem to have assmed to much, I too never mentioned particular Forums myself, I merely drew attention to comments that have been made about moderators, lockings elsewhere etc. I'm not trying to start a fight, just pointing out an unnecesary thing that occurs from time to time and which to my mind (at least) spoils this forum a little. I thought my "honest"opinion would be just as welcome as everyone else's. GP
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Post by staffs on Aug 29, 2005 20:53:18 GMT
GP ,your honest opinion IS welcomed but it doesnt mean that one has to agree with it.
Likewise,being and open forum as much as possible it likewise remains for others to read and make their own opinion.
The nearest i ever got to being in trouble was on Holiday when i was kicked out of the mini bar for fighting and lost my job as a cashier in a Piggy Bank.
"Those who have met me will realise the size joke"
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Post by maat on Aug 29, 2005 23:37:05 GMT
General Pike - I like that name - a Pike admirer? Methinks that the originators of this Forum are very proud of their 'baby' and like new mothers everywhere think that theirs is the bonniest and can't resist a brag every now and then. Staffs - from you comments re mini bars and piggy banks can I assume that you are vertically challenged and might not have been tall enough to see the smile on Pikes face By the way I think you stand very tall on this Forum and you have a great face Cheers Maat
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Post by whistler on Aug 30, 2005 1:58:05 GMT
General Pike, There are a number of reasons that this Forum is so very good It is accepted by all, that our posters have different views about many many aspects of life and we respect each others opinions, even when what may seem to be truth to one may be Rubbish to another - who knows by sharing views we may switch camps. The Mods accept that they do not know everything.. They accept that Freemasonry is a living thing and to laugh and talk about the All Blacks, Stonecutters, or Astraling to Egypt is just as much a Masonic experience to some as a lecture about the square and compasses.
The Culture of Harmony that Staffs, Kizzy and others have created is really good for spreading the word of Freemasonry and an example to other forums
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Post by a on Aug 30, 2005 8:08:45 GMT
General Pike
Take me as an example.
TheFreemason.com was a place where I came to understand a great deal. It helped me move from being lost to starting to know myself. It brought me in touch with a fair number of Freemasons around the world of all ranks and from a fair number of fraternities (off forum).
However some time back the forum changed in my opinion. A fog of darkness seemed to settle upon it. As the darkness grew, the light dimmed.
Now this forum was established around the time that esoteric discussion was being sat upon on thefreemason.com.
It took some months for me to be persuaded to move here, and I am pleased that I have, for it has enabled me to take a further step on my own personal journey. A significant step. But one which I was unable to do on tfm.
You see forums are more than just places on the internet. They have personalities, and energies. And energies well, that would be the subject of a different thread.
So for me, tfm was an excellent nursery but mfol has been the place where I have been able to mature.
Though as you may have seen, due to intolerance towards me by some Freemasons on forums, I have dramatically cut down my posting and even viewing of these forums. But for these failings both forums have a special place in my heart for the reasons cited above.
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Post by generalpike on Aug 30, 2005 8:40:30 GMT
I'm really very sorry that the tone of my first and second comments have been so mis-understood. I will try to illustrate better what I meant.
This is an excellent Forum, my opinon highlighted that (IMO) from time time to time some posters do it a disservice by sniping at other forums. I was in no way trying to defend those forums but pointing out that (IMO) to climb to greatness by putting others down on the way makes for a hollow victory. It should be done with class, honour and finesse.
Again personally I see all Masonic Forums having great value in helping people outside of Freemasonry learn about it. However this is soured a little by the kind of things that I mentioned.
To demonstrate in an allegorical fashion. I see us as all as being regiments in the same army, we each have different traditions but operate towards the same goals. Rivalry is the norm but so also is brotherly courtesy and respect.
I hope that makes it clearer and I won't mention it again
GP
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Post by billmcelligott on Aug 30, 2005 8:50:45 GMT
Well I am constantly being told size does not matter.
Well it makes ME feel better.
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Post by leonardo on Aug 30, 2005 8:52:38 GMT
from to time some posters do it a disservice by sniping at other forums. My understanding is that members of this forum have the upmost respect for other such places but you clearly feel some do not. Could you please give us some examples of this "sniping."
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Post by generalpike on Aug 30, 2005 9:12:14 GMT
My understanding is that members of this forum have the upmost respect for other such places but you clearly feel some do not. Could you please give us some examples of this "sniping." Leo with the greatest of respect you posted this reply: Some excellent replies, especially from Steve. To the first 5 posts on this very topic, of which, only bod's did not mention issues elsewhere (or agree with the sentiment). Anyway as I said I'll not mention it again. GP
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Post by leonardo on Aug 30, 2005 9:36:06 GMT
GP
My remarks were in response to a post made by Steve, where he said:
"I'd say it is because we do NOT indulge in heavy handed censorship or rigidly slapping down anyone straying "off thread". If posters do so and a thread shifts we will either leave it, move it to another part of the Forum or suggest the poster starts a new thread, we do not lock it.
We set up a special section on its own for the Esoteric and for the Kabbala. We are quite happy for alternative forms of Freemasonry to post here and give them the same respect as if the Grand master of UGLE himself was to be a poster.
We do not toe any party line and will respectfully criticise the High and Mighty if needs be, seeking no favours nor reward. We sell absolutely nothing, the adverts at the top of the screen are not under this Forum's control but are a condition of it being free. If a supplier is recommended this is on the purely personal opinion and experience of the person so doing and not for gain.
In fine, we act "On the Square" with other posters, male or female, black or white, Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Islamic, Hindu or of no religion at all, be they a Freemason of many years or the newest EA or not even a Mason at all. Our Principles and Tenets are contained in the sticky posted by Kizzy."
I happen to agree entirely with the above remarks. Steve was simply pointing out the different approach that this forum has in comparison to some other such places. Which, just like, he's perfectly intitled to do.
It has been stated already on this forum that all Masonic Fora offer something to their members. It's just that this one (IMO) has a more open approach and people can and do express themselves more freely.
You, GP, are a prime example of this.
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Post by Seeker on Aug 30, 2005 9:56:28 GMT
General Pike, I don't post often, but watch and read many Masonic Forums, this one appears to be the most honest and genuine I have found, some Masonic forums seem to be so narrow and boring with tyrannical Moderators, who seem to push their own agenda. guess you have found the same that is why you seem to like this one they are just lucky that posters on this forum are too polite to name them - but then why bother when there is this one and Bill's forum. Just forget about those sub standard Forums they will soon wither away and keep posting your worthwhile contributions on this forum where they are appreciated for what they are worth ;D ,
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Post by waynecowley on Aug 30, 2005 10:04:41 GMT
Each forum appeals to a different range of posters - in much the same way as different aspects of the Craft appeal to different brethren
If we can each find at least one that suits our needs then we should be grateful - though I tend to post on about 5
Wayne
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