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Post by a on Mar 6, 2005 17:25:11 GMT
At Taylorsmans suggestion, when did life start for you?
Bearing in mind that I see life as a journey, part of a much bigger journey, here is my current take on this. Also bear in mind that I beleve that we are all part of God, almost by definition I, as with everyone and everything else, have always been alive. But that is philisophical and not what Taylorsman was after here.
Can't help myself though. I would not be suprised to find that I was around in Ancient Egyptian days. And I am sure that whatever I was doing back then (being a pain in the ass probably) I was very much alive.
And I could put together an argument that life for me started back then. But I had better stop philosophising, and just look at this incarnation.
I would argue that Life started for me when I was born, and continued for about twenty five years or so. Then I became so engrossed in the physical world that I effectively died, to become reborn again once I worked my way out of death a few years ago.
I could also argue that Life started when I came to understand Guardian Angels. And from reading the the initiation book that Russell recommended to me, I would not be suprised to find that I underwent an initiation around that time.
So Taylorsman not the sort of answers you possibly expected, eh?
But if I had to pick a specific point in time in this incarnation which was (with hindsight) the key turning point in my life which led me to where I am today, it would have to be in 1990 in the Great Pyramid/Karnak.
There are so many ways that I could look at this Taylorsman that it is difficult for me to give a straight simple answer.
Perhaps one day my (then) Lodge Master will ask me to write a paper on this as part of my progression evaluations?
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 6, 2005 19:09:00 GMT
Interesting differences in approach between us Stewart.
Although I would like to believe in Reincarnation I have no personal proof , sometimes a feeling that I have been somewhere before where I have never actually visited , sometimes that I have an affinity to some person in bygone days whom I have not met in this life.
I don't here mean Kings or Heads of State, etc or other famous people in the past, but I do feel a certain strange familiarity with Germany in the time of the Third Reich and have always had a fascination for that country in that period, even as a kid in Primary School , and when newsreels and documentaries about that period are on the TV I sometimes feel, "I've know that place", and even "I know him or her", and I DON'T mean the likes of high ranking Nazi Personalities who everyone recognises but ordinary blokes in uniform, civilians etc. Who knows? Was I alive in my last Incarnation in Hitler's Germany and on who's side?
Anyway, for me I took the question to mean when did THIS life begin? Obviously as with all of us at Birth -August 1953 in my case. I totally reject the idea that some people hold that Life begins with Conception. However, Birth is physical existance. To me LIFE means when I was free to make my own decisions, tramelled only by legal and financial restraints and the demands of employment etc. That as I have said would be 1st February 1972, when I woke up for the first time away from my parents house , starting my first proper paid job and no longer subject to parental control, especially that of my father, his authority over me being null and void from then, although he would like to think otherwise. An Adult in my own right , albeit a poorly paid and inexperienced one with much to learn and a lot of that the hard way, but free to plough my own furrow.
So that was my climacteric point. Your's was at Cheops Pyramid in Egypt. There have been other interesting waypoints for me. I often feel we are like trains setting off from a Station. Depending how the points are set will result on where we go. More often the points are set for us, sometimes we get to climb out of the cab and move the lever ourselves. Occassionaly we may get diverted, even derailed, sometimes we get a clear road, at others the signals are proceed with caution or even at red. In the end we all arrive at the one great Terminus.
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Post by a on Mar 6, 2005 21:42:59 GMT
sometimes a feeling that I have been somewhere before where I have never actually visited , sometimes that I have an affinity to some person in bygone days whom I have not met in this life. Feelings which I, and I and many others also have. Consider my feeling inside the Great pyramid as an example. OK bad example as I was actually there. Does it matter to you? If it does then there are people who can help you unlock this knowledge. I am sure that, eg, Whistler or Russell could point you in the right direction. Also if you accept that you can be reincarnated it sort of makes a mockery of national differences, if you think about it. And that is without even considering the beliefs of some religions that we can reincarnate into animals, and as I would argue into life on other planets. Good analogy. You may even find that you also started at that Terminus (after all you have to start somewhere).
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Post by Yoki on Mar 8, 2005 4:14:52 GMT
When did life start for me? Well you could say when I was born but as I do not recall this event is that strictly true? You might say but its recorded well that could be incorrect and in my case due to the upheaval in Indonesia at the time there is no record of my birth. Yes life does begin at our first breath but I would say our first memories holds more significance. It may interest you Stewart that one of my first was of a alien type creature looking in on me through the window one night, I was very young but got such a fright I remember it to this day. There may be no absolute proof concerning reincarnation Taylor, but there are some very well documented case to be found were the only explanation as to why certain people have detailed knowledge concerning obscure lives is reincarnation. Putting that aside reincarnation as a theory of existence is logical .It takes the power away from religion and its high priests and put it back in the hands of the people. Who decide what's right, how to live and reap the rewards or not as they receive in balance of what they give, in this life or the next.
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Post by whistler on Mar 8, 2005 6:53:00 GMT
Stewart - This is a Wobbly question - Which Life do you mean. My life on the earth plane this time probably started when I was in Spirit and decided to come to earth to learn certain things and selected the parents that would best help me achieve those lessons - The making of that decision I do not remember- But it is worth remembering when we have problems with our Children - they picked us as much as we picked our own parents - so our Kids really can't moan at us if they don't like what we do to them
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 10, 2005 12:09:10 GMT
If Monty Python is to be believed, "the moment Dad came", when presumably I also began to drown in the Holy See.
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 10, 2005 17:35:01 GMT
If Monty Python is to be believed, " the moment Dad came", when presumably I also began to drown in the Holy See. This should also give every one of us great encouragement, because we are all winners (The first to reach the egg) in a million plus race. We should all give ourselves a gold medal ;D
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 14, 2005 3:55:45 GMT
Only half of each of us won the race. The other half just stood exactly where it was, a philosophy I have successfully carried through into post-uterine life.
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 14, 2005 7:27:05 GMT
Now you have lost me a bit Ruff. I am not a biologist but I can't get a handle on this. Do you refer to the tail of the spermatazoon which is detached when it implants in the ovum or to the placenta which is removed from after birth and usually incinerated with other medical detritus?
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Post by staffs on Mar 14, 2005 7:28:53 GMT
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Post by atarnaris on Mar 14, 2005 7:46:11 GMT
This should also give every one of us great encouragement, because we are all winners (The first to reach the egg) in a million plus race. We should all give ourselves a gold medal ;D Indeed Middlepillar. I feel good already...
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 14, 2005 9:34:09 GMT
Taylorsman,
The XY bit was thrashing through the water like Matthew Pinsent on Ketamine, while the XX bit was just chillin'.
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