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Post by maat on Mar 2, 2008 23:20:49 GMT
What's the saucer pilot's name, Fred? Pontius! Maat Think about it.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 2, 2008 23:48:27 GMT
That reminds me of a little ditty.
Pontius was a pilot, a flying man was he He climbed into his aeroplane and few across the sea but when he came to Switzerland he crashed along the way so they call it Mount Pilatus until this very day
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 0:29:29 GMT
Good one lauderdale!
My version was Pontius was the pilot for the flight to Egypt.
Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 0:32:20 GMT
Maybe Planet X is a Comet 17P .. coming to take us holmes again.... ;D "Comet 17P/Holmes Bigger Than Sun" "Spectacular outbursting comet 17P/Holmes exploded in size and brightness on October 24. It continues to expand and is now the largest single object in the Solar system, being bigger than the Sun." www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_asteroids_comets06_06.htmMaat
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Post by hollandr on Mar 3, 2008 1:26:21 GMT
As I recall one of Velikovsky's predictions for Venus was a lot of hydrocarbons. He might well have been on to something:
"Saturn's orange moon, Titan, has hundreds of times more liquid hydrocarbons than all the known oil and natural gas reserves on Earth, according to new data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft. The hydrocarbons rain from the sky, collecting in vast deposits that form lakes and dunes. "
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 3, 2008 8:47:32 GMT
On the other hand you could try the experiment in Reply 36 From Reply #36: I think if you move a tennis ball around a central point while showing the same face to the center that the tennis ball does actually rotate relative to an outside observer. If the Moon's orbit around the Earth was a railway track, it would not revolve, rotate or spin on the track itself, but simply be guided along. By contrast, the Earth revolves upon its axis while it orbits the Sun. An outside observer might get to see both sides of the Moon but would also see the Moon stuck upon its course, with its side having a relatively denser mass firmly locked onto the Earth.
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Post by hollandr on Mar 3, 2008 19:59:53 GMT
>If the Moon's orbit around the Earth was a railway track,
Philip
Again you surprise me
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 3, 2008 20:14:00 GMT
Imagine how you'd feel if your aliens land!
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 22:33:50 GMT
Imagine how you'd feel if your aliens land! ;D ;D ;D If they did Tamrin, it would be you we would have to cart off to the mental institution, you wouldn't be able to cope. Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 22:39:47 GMT
Back to Velikovsky ... and especially for Tamrin of the Scientific Mind.
"Some of these predictions were said to be impossible when you made them. All of them were predicted long before proof that they were correct came to hand. Conversely I do not know of any specific prediction you made that has since been proven to be false."
- the late H. H. Hess, chairman, Space Science Board, National Academy of Science, in a letter to Velikovsky for public record, 1963.
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 23:05:57 GMT
What does Velikovsky have to say about Venus?
Venus is a young planet, split off from Jupiter not many thousands of years ago. It approached close to Earth in the 15th Century BC, and appeared to be threatening Earth about every 52 years afterwards, until during the 9/8th Century BC it almost collided with Mars. Mars then threatened Earth a number of times with close approaches. Gradually the orbits adjusted themselves until in the 7th Century BC they reached their present equilibrium.
Velikovsky also stated that Venus was hot, being a very young planet. It had generated the heat during the rupture from Jupiter and during its close encounters with Earth and Mars. He also stated that Venus might have an anomalous rotation. Scientists have since established that it is very hot between 400-500 deg and it rotates in the opposite direction to all the other planets except Uranus.
It is interesting to note that in the old books, Venus is likened to a Comet... travelling from Jupiter to its current position?
Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 3, 2008 23:22:17 GMT
The Home Page associated with the above link begins by saying: ZetaTalk leads you through the vast amount of information being relayed by the Zetas in answer to questions posed to their emissary, Nancy. NANCY!? Hi! I'm the emmisary from Zeta Reticuli, Nancy!!! ;D What's the saucer pilot's name, Fred? Nancy, Zeta, Monkeys, Bruce - who cares.... did you miss the IDEA in the post because you were too busy with the ridiculous attire of the messenger... hmmnnnn ? Scientists have already acknowledged that the polarity of the earth has switched over several time in the past, they can see it in rock formations. And there has been a whole lot of talk about pole shifts etc. Not to mention, that as someone said recently, it you deflated the size of the Earth just a little you would find the land masses fitting nicely together (apart from a little wear and tear over the years). The Earth, and the Universe, moves, as they say. Like all moving things, accidents or happenings occur. Scientists already know that the Earth's crust can slip around the core... I found the IDEA of how this can happen big time, quite fascinating. Kind of like a car crash. The core stops and the crust keeps moving. We don't fall off into space, we just get drowned by tsunamis.... like Noah neighbours et al. Maat
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 4, 2008 7:49:58 GMT
Nancy, Zeta, Monkeys, Bruce - who cares.... did you miss the IDEA in the post because you were too busy with the ridiculous attire of the messenger... hmmnnnn ?
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 4, 2008 7:55:05 GMT
If they did Tamrin, it would be you we would have to cart off to the mental institution, you wouldn't be able to cope. At least I would not be rushing towards them with ready-made labels and preconceived ideas
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 4, 2008 8:33:24 GMT
Scientists have already acknowledged that the polarity of the earth has switched over several time in the past, they can see it in rock formations. And there has been a whole lot of talk about pole shifts etc. Not to mention, that as someone said recently, it you deflated the size of the Earth just a little you would find the land masses fitting nicely together (apart from a little wear and tear over the years). The Earth, ant the Universe, moves, as they say. Like all moving things, accidents or happenings occur.
Scientists already know that the Earth's crust can slip around the core... A reversal could knock out power grids, hurt astronauts and satellites, widen atmospheric ozone holes, send polar auroras flashing to the equator and confuse birds, fish and migratory animals that rely on the steadiness of the magnetic field as a navigation aid. But experts said the repercussions would fall short of catastrophic, despite a few proclamations of doom and sketchy evidence of past links between field reversals and species extinctions. That said, I do not discount the possibility of catastrophes (they happen), including crust displacement (quite feasible). I simply discount all the Woo-Woo that gets tacked on by Nancy and the Crystal Crowd.
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 4, 2008 9:23:20 GMT
What does Velikovsky have to say about Venus?
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Post by maat on Mar 4, 2008 21:25:06 GMT
Tamrin
"The Medium is the Message" - applies to scientists, reporters and skeptics too?
I really am surprised that you would pay more attention to a skeptic than the chairman, Space Science Board, National Academy of Science. A real departure for you.
I am starting to get the idea that you chop and change according to who agrees with your idea of things, which is understandable.
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Mar 5, 2008 5:34:13 GMT
>pay more attention to a skeptic
I wonder if exploring new possibilties requires more mental effort than rejecting them.
For example consideration of new possibilities must raise doubt about the viability of some existing beliefs.
And changing beliefs results in some mental turmoil while consistency with other beliefs is re-established
It also requires some regret for having held unsatisfactory beliefs
I recall years ago when a lot of my beliefs changed over a few months.
Every day I would find myself in situations and prepare to act, only to find that the belief I was about to use as a basis for action, was too stupid for me to believe.
I went through about 8 months of a free-fall sensation until I more or less ran out of stupid beliefs.
Of course there may be more belief realignment I have yet to experience
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Post by Tamrin on Mar 5, 2008 8:14:21 GMT
I really am surprised that you would pay more attention to a skeptic than the chairman, Space Science Board, National Academy of Science. A real departure for you.
I am starting to get the idea that you chop and change according to who agrees with your idea of things, which is understandable. Black pots and kettles (and "open slather") come to mind On the one hand, we have Hess stating, " ... I do not know of any specific prediction you made that has since been proven to be false", and we have that lack of knowledge being remedied by my link. In 1963, when the letter was written, there had not been much time in which to falsify Velikovsky's predictions, published in 1950. On the other hand, a significant portion of the scientific community went way too far by seeking to silence Velikovsky (or at least to exclude his works from reputable scientific publishing houses) and this caused some sympathy for Velikovsky. Hess's fairly non-committal statement might be seen in this context. That said, it is a common practice among pseudo-scientific charlatans to latch onto such statements to suggest divisions and controversy where none exist, except concerning finer points.
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Post by maat on Mar 5, 2008 22:12:20 GMT
Black pots and kettles (and "open slather") come to mind ;D ;D ;D Agree whole heartedly ;D ;D ;D See you and me are very much alike Tamrin. Maat (Tamrin... tamrin... are you alright? He's fainted dead away folks.)
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