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Post by staffs on Oct 18, 2005 20:27:13 GMT
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Post by maat on Oct 18, 2005 23:02:44 GMT
Esoterically - the repetition, when learning ritual, works upon the subconscious which is the bridge to the Universal consciousness and the lesson being taught/learned (which is both for the Officer concerned and is a good reason why all should contemplate going through the ranks) will usually be demonstrated or actually experienced by that Officer. We see this constantly happening in our Lodge, where we are all aware of the connection of the three consciousnesses. Three Steps?!
Maat
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Post by taylorsman on Oct 19, 2005 15:46:27 GMT
Great idea! You coud play it in your car or on your personal CD player when out walking etc. There is a 7 CD TAYLORS set so I may well buy it!
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Post by Jumile on Oct 20, 2005 12:54:25 GMT
I've already bought the Emulsion set. Should be waiting for me when I get home tonight.
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Post by petertaylor on Oct 20, 2005 14:02:18 GMT
I used to record our ritual myself and play it back in the car! I also used to get some funny looks at traffic lights as well!
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Post by mkgreen38 on Oct 20, 2005 16:34:53 GMT
Yeah...I agree...I too recorded mine into a personal recorder, and did it at all available times. Wish it was there for me then!
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Post by staffs on Oct 20, 2005 17:02:32 GMT
Can anyone advise what would be the nearest to Sussex Ritual .?
Emulation or Taylors.
I know that Sussex opening and closing is different.
I am currently learning the Exhortation in the Third.
Gosh ,it is realy difficult and i guessed that if i could get that under my belt now then when the time comes maybe it may not be so hard.
Somedays i may only learn one line,
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Post by staffs on Oct 20, 2005 17:03:54 GMT
;D I've already bought the Emulsion set. Should be waiting for me when I get home tonight. As opposed to a lovely lady ? Whatever turns you on Matt ;D
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Post by taylorsman on Oct 20, 2005 17:22:33 GMT
I have often thought that Sussex Ritual is Emulation reformed and done properly!
The floorwork is very similar to Taylors in many ways, Squaring, both Deacons on the Floor during a Degree Ceremony , Clockwise round the Lodge, Salute the WM on leaving and re-entering the Lodge, the Wardens Stand when the WM Rises.
The words are closer to the dreaded "E" but are pronounced properly. None of this silly affectation of pronouncing HELE as HAIL but it is spoken in Sussex as HEAL and the WM Rises to ENQUIRE not just "ask" as in a certain other Ritual you may care to mention.
Of course unlike Taylors the JW does not Challenge the Lodge when it is Opened in the Second and Third Degrees.
All in all, next to Taylors I like Sussex Ritual.
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Post by Siontific on Oct 20, 2005 17:45:51 GMT
Sorry, this shop does not exist.
Staffs, any ideas ? Thought I would take a look but "verity Fisher" in allits guises is not found on ebay.
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Post by Jumile on Oct 21, 2005 13:51:56 GMT
As opposed to a lovely lady ? Whatever turns you on Matt ;D You know, Lee... there always one in any group. Why's it always you? ;D It did arrive yesterday and it's not bad. While it's definitely not a professional job, the chap has obviously given thought to how best to present it for use. The spoken parts are clear and slow and the "stage directions" are swiftly spoken. Each section is broken up into many tracks (the 1 o Charge is 7 tracks, 2 o TB is 27 tracks and 3 o Opening is 5 tracks, for example), so it gives you a chance to digest one portion before progressing no matter what you're using to listen to it. He doesn't reveal the Wds, Tns, Sns or IW, but I'd be surprised if UGLE or the copyright holder (ELOI or Lewis Masonic?) would smile favourably upon it. I'm satisfied with my purchase. If I was in Mark or Chapter I'd buy the appropriate sets for that as well (and I still might). And the whole 7 CD set rips to no more than 90MB. BTW, this is the correct eBay Store link: stores.ebay.co.uk/id=138370161
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Post by Siontific on Oct 22, 2005 16:22:09 GMT
Thanks for the link, Jumile
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Post by forester on Oct 23, 2005 10:44:48 GMT
Quite like the idea of ritual on CD - Would be a handy way to learn it on the way to work
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Post by atarnaris on Oct 23, 2005 10:59:00 GMT
Brethren All,
I have done the same and put the rituals on an mp3 and audio file. The ritual is Emulation and I have put all words etc but without the instructions, as I am planning to use to give it to New Masons of our LOI.The idea is that one learns the words from the CD but learns the ritual from seeing it performed live!!!
I just hope that our Illustrious Preceptor (TheGnostic) approves of the idea.
I did it initially for myself as I am quite hopeless in ritual, although I was told I was very very good with the Q&A's
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Post by windtimber on Nov 9, 2005 14:26:22 GMT
OK gentlemen - how in the world did you get the proper authorities to approve distribtution of the ritual in electronic format? Or is it an "unapproved" distribution?
We struggled with officially distributing an unciphered text edition of the work to lodge secretaries, only, so each lodge would have a resource and tool for an official prompter. That was met with some degree of resistance by memorization purists.
Now the same problem seems to be arising with very preliminary discussions on distributing electronic versions of the work on a very limited basis. [Only to certain Grand Lodge committee members.] Too easy for the work to get into "the wrong hands" appears to be the argument.
Personally, I think carefully produced, accurate, and officially "sanctioned" audio CDs or tapes would be a wonderful learning tool. There's nothing particularly secret about our work anymore - it's available all over the internet and on ultra-conservative fundamentalist TV shows already - albeit in value laden and sometimes rather inaccurate form.
Maybe you guys in the UK have a more realistic approach than some of us in the US? Appreciate your reports on this subject.
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Post by taylorsman on Nov 9, 2005 17:26:20 GMT
Its all out there and has been long before the Internet, read "Darkness Visible" by Walton Hannah, first published in 1952
There are variations of opinion on this topic from some Constitutions were the only written Rituals are jealously kept by the DC / Preceptor and handed back after the LOI and all must be learned by rote and communicated "mouth to ear" right throught to the likes of myself who are happy to have it read in Lodge and would only blank out the words or descriptions of how to perform the Signs and Tokens (Grips) as that is specifially what I have sworn to keep secret.
In the UK anyone can buy any of the Ritual Books including the Inner Workings by Internet if they wish. They are never asked to "Prove" themselves as Masons. To my way of thinking these CDs are only a development of such books and I intend to purchase the Taylors set in due course.
Perhaps they take a harder line about such matters in the USA?
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Post by forester on Nov 10, 2005 7:52:06 GMT
Interesting comments chaps - I quite like the idea of learning ritual electronically. Not quite sure how you get around the grips,tokens etc. Would appreciate anyone's experiences.
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Post by JulesTheBit on Nov 10, 2005 8:37:39 GMT
Whilst books or CDs might be a great way of learning the words, I think that descriptions alone cannot fully teach the physical aspects of the ritual. Therefore learning ritual from a book or electronically will only take you so far, to work in synchronisation with the candidate or other officers requires practice at a rehearsal, lodge of instruction or whatever you want to call it.
I found that dictating ritual onto a walkman and listening to it whilst going to work on the train worked quite well, but I never had much success listening to it in my car, concentrating on my driving distracted me from the ritual.
Matt, the copyright of Emulation ritual is held by Lewis Masonic. Call me old-fashioned, and maybe my moral standards are unusually high, but I won't be supporting this breach of copyright. How would you guys like it if the patents or copyrights of your own businesses were infringed by someone who sought to make money for themselves out of your intellectual property?
S&F, Julian
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Post by taylorsman on Nov 10, 2005 8:37:54 GMT
You would have to see the Signs and Grips demonstrated at Lodge or LOI, you can't really get an appreciation of them from a description in words alone.
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Post by windtimber on Nov 10, 2005 13:55:30 GMT
I've always assumed electronic/CD/tape versions would only be a tool to assist/complement learning the "script." The specifics of floorwork, scenes, grips, etc. is certainly only adequately learned through practice and participation.
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