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Post by hollandr on May 10, 2008 21:53:58 GMT
I wonder how many of us have been involved in or witnessed an exorcism
What were the symptoms, the methods and the results?
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Post by lauderdale on May 10, 2008 21:59:55 GMT
I am an Exorcist but have not as yet been called upon to practice that office which would probably require the approval of my Bishop unless in an emergency.
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Post by Tamrin on May 10, 2008 22:54:28 GMT
As I think I have already reported on this forum, an elderly member of a Society with which I am involved had to move out of her family home and found her new unit unsettling. She called upon me to perform an exorcism and would not take "No" for an answer. Accordingly, I purified myself and performed a three part exorcism for her benefit. Firstly, the bell, book and candle method, associated with excommunication, of severing any link with maleficent entities and commanding them to depart; secondly, indicating and encompassing the compass points with my sword and hermetically sealing and purifying the space; and, thirdly, in tunic, cloak and mitre, blessing each room and calling on the protection of beneficent entities to watch over her and her new home. She felt it necessary to "cross my palm with silver" and again would not take "No" for an answer. Thereafter she reportedly felt at ease.
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Post by leonardo on May 11, 2008 7:50:50 GMT
It's a fascinating subject but personally, other than in movies, I have not witnessed an exorcism.
The Bible talks about Lord Jesus casting out demons.
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 8:21:24 GMT
>The Bible talks about Lord Jesus casting out demons.
I recall in my early days of dealing with angels I tried calling upon an Angel of Dispersement in order to get rid of some energy. But I was told that there was no such angel because everything needs to go somewhere
It may be the same with casting out demons - like throwing rubbish in the street
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Post by leonardo on May 11, 2008 8:29:35 GMT
Never looked at it that way before: where do the demons go when exorcised?
I suppose one answer is, "back to Hell." But is it that simple?
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Post by Tamrin on May 11, 2008 9:16:18 GMT
In my instance, I commanded the entities to go unto their own place.
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 9:28:05 GMT
>I commanded the entities to go unto their own place
Various species infest humans on physical, etheric, astral, mental and planes beyond some of which might be classified as demons
Some species are created by humans so I suppose their own place is another human
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Post by Tamrin on May 11, 2008 9:38:18 GMT
At least in their own place there is greater opportunity for positive transformation. Some entities may appear maleficent because they are blocked and in the wrong place for their present condition, being held back from their destiny.
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 21:39:59 GMT
If I can use a less dramatic word than Exorcism yes Russell, My wife and I have participated in many clearings. Working with varied some quite primal and others simply a relative who wants to communicate. We are both Trance Mediums and work together. When somebody rings saying they have a problem, it is possible to be aware if there is a genuine entity, or the person is just hooking a domestic issue onto a Spiritual Cause. Our approach is always that the entity has the problem and resolving the entities problem solves the persons problem. The way we work is we will visit the problem place and tune in. One of us will usually pick up the entity and the other will communicate with it, seek to understand its problem and move it to the light. . It is often a three stage process - first pick up the entity, second encourage it to explain its situation, then show it the light and encourage it to go to it. Its Mother, favourite dog etc may even come and take them..Other times they will just go. We don't use bells candles or holy water. We just use ourselves. "Hauntings" are very common - we have been called to Government Offices, factories, private houses - Some places are just a natural - I know of one house built across the ancient pathway between to watering places - The owners of that house really should move there is a constant stream of "People "still walking the track. Of course some Ghosts are quite harmless and don't need moving on until they start becoming a pest. Some clearings can be very intense and it is good to know that one would never be presented with anything that we cant handle. It always makes me smile when somebody first rings and they pussy foot around scared of being labeled a loony, the audible relief I hear when I tell them that they are not unique and their problems are quite normal and not at all strange. We do not make any charge, though some people like to give us something and we respect that desire. Russell Symptoms. These are many and varied - Can be simply an unpleasant feeling in a part of the house or Noises, Doors opening, figures appearing, teeth marks on arms, things falling off shelves, cats suddenly jumping up and more. Results: The problem goes away. People who had noticed a strange feeling in area of the house will notice it is different.
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 21:56:58 GMT
It may be the same with casting out demons - like throwing rubbish in the street If you do that what happens to the next poor sod who walks down that street
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 22:29:12 GMT
Whistler
Thanks for that thoughtful reply
Have you ever found an entity that would not move?
Have you ever found an entity that was itself subject to dark interference?
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 22:41:19 GMT
Whistler Thanks for that thoughtful reply Have you ever found an entity that would not move? Have you ever found an entity that was itself subject to dark interference? Russell Have you ever found an entity that would not move? No - on the Odd occasion we have had to go back because the entity had come back but only very rarely. Have you ever found an entity that was itself subject to dark interference?
That is an interesting question Russell and has got me thinking. I don't think that could happen - that would be "A Spirit haunting a Spirit" concept. You make me think of an occasion - involving a living screaming child. a spiritual box with snakes and much much darkness. The more I think about it the more I am not sure of an answer let me think about it One other point - we will often be called to a complete strangers place to clear a house and find that the entity is just a relative who has passed over and want to talk to the person.
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Post by hollandr on May 11, 2008 23:19:24 GMT
>find that the entity is just a relative who has passed over and want to talk to the person.
The morning after my mother died, my father rang to tell me. Immediately I was aware of my mother in the room. She seemed satisfied and said that it was exactly as I had told her in life: all about energies. She moved away and over the next few days moved up a number of subplanes and is currently on 4.3 (just into the transpersonal heart) and has no interest in earthly matters
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Post by whistler on May 11, 2008 23:25:42 GMT
>find that the entity is just a relative who has passed over and want to talk to the person. The morning after my mother died, my father rang to tell me. Immediately I was aware of my mother in the room. She seemed satisfied and said that it was exactly as I had told her in life: all about energies. She moved away and over the next few days moved up a number of subplanes and is currently on 4.3 (just into the transpersonal heart) and has no interest in earthly matters That is great Russell and it is so good to let them go. I think it is really going to be fun when we pass over and discuss our journey with those through the veil .
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Post by maat on May 12, 2008 0:18:41 GMT
It may be the same with casting out demons - like throwing rubbish in the street A very good reason to do away with capital punishment. Malevolence is best kept contained. Maat
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Post by maat on May 12, 2008 0:21:42 GMT
Haven't seen an exorcism, but I was psychically (?) attacked once - it was the scariest thing I have ever been through. I called on every Godly entity I could think of and then resorted to the Our Father. I was thru a second recitation before 'the thing' dissolved.
Maat
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Post by hollandr on May 12, 2008 0:39:31 GMT
>I called on every Godly entity I could think of and then resorted to the Our Father.
A friend had to do that with her husband to bring him/it under control
>A very good reason to do away with capital punishment.
I suspect that shock treatment might also cast out the intruder to find a new home
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Post by whistler on May 12, 2008 1:44:27 GMT
It may be the same with casting out demons - like throwing rubbish in the street A very good reason to do away with capital punishment. Malevolence is best kept contained. Maat Maat, here is another case of opinion. I do not like the thought of Capital punishment. That is another topic. The Malevolence you refer to doesn't exist. It is simple a Journeys end.
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Post by maat on May 12, 2008 2:59:33 GMT
A very good reason to do away with capital punishment. Malevolence is best kept contained. Maat Maat, here is another case of opinion. I do not like the thought of Capital punishment. That is another topic. The Malevolence you refer to doesn't exist. It is simple a Journeys end. Then benevolence does not exist either?
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