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Post by hollandr on Aug 17, 2008 6:10:41 GMT
While communication is all around us, communing is rare,
For communing we need an empathy, a shared understanding, a rhythmic interchange - almost a dance - mental, emotional, .....
For communication we use statements - thesis and antithesis - definitions and logic - forms deprived of life
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 17, 2008 6:24:27 GMT
For communication we use statements - thesis and antithesis - definitions and logic - forms deprived of life Why are these forms necessarily deprived of life and why, in your opinion, cannot one both communicate and commune? I suggest you have drawn a false dichotomy.
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 17, 2008 9:14:31 GMT
I would say that one of the First Principles of Communication is DO NOT ALIENATE YOUR AUDIENCE.
You could write the epitome of erudition, your logic could be impeccable but if the manner of communication either annoys the audience, is too dry and bores it, condescends to it or simply is set at far too high a level and cannot be understood by it, then you have failed. They will walk away, switch you off, ignore you, throw your book away etc. You will be a voice crying in the wilderness or even the sound of one hand clapping.
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Post by Tamrin on Aug 17, 2008 10:43:21 GMT
What if you are the audience, seeking clarification?
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Post by brandt on Aug 17, 2008 12:51:00 GMT
A few old esoteric orders instruct on something called the "hidden conversation." It explores the deep meaning behind language and communication. I have found it to be an important tool in my social and professional life.
I will see if I can dig up some information on it for you fine folks. My lodge is beginning a course of instruction in the fundamentals of this line of education.
Brandt
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Post by penfold on Aug 17, 2008 13:20:09 GMT
The most important part of communication is listening
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Post by brandt on Aug 17, 2008 13:51:36 GMT
not just listening but comprehending and sharing.
Brandt
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 17, 2008 14:51:46 GMT
".. or a tree falling in the woods..."
And apart from the Almighty and no doubt the Green Activists who really cares about that?
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Post by billmcelligott on Aug 17, 2008 21:21:58 GMT
If you were the Mother of that tree, you would care.
My Wife and I have attained absolute perfection in communication.
She tells me what to do and I do it.
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Post by maat on Aug 18, 2008 0:49:36 GMT
Women, dare I say, are usually better at communing than men. Generally speaking we seem to have a bit of an inbuilt thingy for it. That is probably why women tend to have more heart to heart friends than men. We laugh together and cry together. Once you have cried together you are friends for life.
So I would agree with Russell's statement - "For communing we need an empathy, a shared understanding, a rhythmic interchange - almost a dance - mental, emotional, ....."
Now I can't quite visualize men starting to cry with each other, but a manly hug at the right moment, when the chips are down, speaks a thousand words, as does a fist punching the air in jubilation when you share their joy with them.
Communing doesn't need words.
Maat
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