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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2008 22:46:30 GMT
A ritual, of whatever kind, does raise energy, ... I don't buy this. If you had said that it transforms the existing energy and patterns it to attract other related/patterned energy, I would buy it. How about raise the vibrational frequency... that makes both of you right. This is how you can make yourself levitate and/or disappear. Science has proved that much. Maat
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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2008 23:03:42 GMT
surely when we open our lodges and call upon the GAOTU to assist us in our labours we should at least have the decency to assume he may actually be listening us? And in fact may even have the presumption to show up occasionally? (or one of his servants?). Or is it just that bethren have no idea what it is they are actually doing when they open a Lodge? Great point!! How many people who speak to God EXPECT action or an answer? Lack of faith and hope in the love of God? More likely it is the lack of faith in your own IN-tuition and subtle senses. There is a tendancy to brush them aside as figments of imagination. How often have you ignored 'Your Own Advice' and later regretted it? Our VSL does state that we do have extra-ordinary eyes and ears that really can see and hear beyond the normal. Maat
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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2008 23:12:27 GMT
An interesting anecdote which will raise an eyebrow or roll the eyes of some readers ;D Hey, but who cares, it will illustrate a point. I am MWS at present is Rose. I have not been well and came to the realization that I would not be able to take the chair for our last meeting. This worried me greatly, and deprived me of some sleep the evening before. "Knights do not desert their post and all that... " During the sleepless period I took myself before the alter in my minds eye to apologise, then all of a sudden to the front left side of me 'Jesus' appeared and said "Don't worry, I will take the Chair for you". Told you, you would roll your eyes ;D I had to try not to roll my own. But I will be interested to hear if the meeting had an extra special quality to it. They may not want me back Maat
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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2008 23:30:28 GMT
Childlike faith?
In the VSL there is an emphasis on the child, and the need to be child-like, there is in Matthew:
11:25 Revealed to 'babes' 18:2- 4 Humbles himself as a child 21:15 -16 "Out of the mouths of babes ..."
The disciples once asked Jesus, "Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto Him and set him in the midst of them and said, Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is the greatest in the Kingdom of heaven.
Maybe we need to be more childlike in the way we look at, and look for, some things. ??
Maat
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Post by hollandr on Sept 9, 2008 23:40:03 GMT
>There is a tendancy to brush them aside as figments of imagination.
Are people taught to brush aside as "just one of those things"?
Or is there something inside that does not want to know?
If someone recognises themselves as a "brusher" perhaps they might like to report the psychological processes that lead to brushing.
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 9, 2008 23:44:17 GMT
Can I assure you I am not "GAY" , why I don't even do humour (or to you humor). I am old enough to remember when Gay was being happy. Fag was a cigarette. Butch was the name of a Dog. Those were the days
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Post by maat on Sept 9, 2008 23:55:05 GMT
Can I assure you I am not "GAY" , why I don't even do humour (or to you humor). I am old enough to remember when Gay was being happy. Fag was a cigarette. Butch was the name of a Dog. Those were the days I am old enough to remember the days when Lauders did NOT do humour. Now he is truly excellent at it. He is now downright huggable. Right - back to topic.... Russell has asked a very good question.. Maat
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Post by maat on Sept 10, 2008 2:23:28 GMT
Then you are telling me that to create what I want, I have to first take what I have, what I generate, and raise (AKA "IMPROVE" - ei. "add value to") the pattern, shape or form of what I am creating so that what is created will have improvement and therefor attract like patterns, shapes and forms - Law of Attraction 101. Am I I'm having trouble deciphering what you tell me I told you All I can say is that if I raise my thoughts to things lofty, 'something' happens to my mind and body, which has a buzzy feel to it. I have thought of this as a 'frequency' change of some sort. When this happens I find it impossible to think of anything negative, destructive, inappropriate etc etc. And rather than me creating anything, the creative thoughts come to me. In a lodge room, this happens without so much input on my part, I have assumed that it is because it is a team effort. Maybe I choose the wrong words sometimes. No apology needed - offerings are just offerings. It is a sharing thing. Maat PS I didn't see Max's reply till after I had posted. I think that his choice of words was good.
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Post by dbo on Sept 10, 2008 2:36:17 GMT
;D Good evening brethren: As you all might remember; I'm a little bird perched on the window sill peering in the window of the lodge; and from what I have read; Max's cup appears to hold water. Energy is neither created nor destroyed; it is always transferred; this is the key that explains how every universal creation has a part of each of us in it. Seeing myself in every human or creature helps create empathy and love which inturn attracts positive energy and repels negative energies; I love Alchemy I truly believe human's will evolve (become a more advanced species) through practiced meditaion. Meditation helps individuals learn to transform energy into their desires. Groups focused on the same goals will transform larger amounts of energy into larger goals . Requesting assistance from the Holy one only makes sense, as I practice meditation and travel the path of least resistance; the inner planes become more real to me and the existance of the Holy one is very evident. Looking forward to practising with the masters Best Regards, 'D'
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 8:59:47 GMT
Or is there something inside that does not want to know? There is what is sometimes called the "dweller on the threshold" (the threshold being that to the inner world). This phantom represents our doubts and our sense of unworthiness to progress beyond. It is, in a sense, our shadow self, although if not instructed aright in the differences between the inner and outer worlds, one might perceive it as an objective reality. At this juncture the seeker needs to assure themself that they are part of the greater whole; that they belong and are indeed awaited in that inner realm.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 10, 2008 9:22:07 GMT
>sometimes called the "dweller on the threshold"
So how would one detect if the "dweller on the threshold" was attempting to brush off some inner experience?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 9:29:55 GMT
The very perception, itself, of the dweller indicates one has began the inner journey. Remember, it is no more than an aspect or projection of one's self (the outer persona): Thus, any brushing off is by our own (albeit, universal) self (separate from the persona).
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Post by hollandr on Sept 10, 2008 10:05:55 GMT
>any brushing off is by our own (albeit, universal) self
Does that mean it is our spiritual part that brushes off what might be spiritual experiences of the persona?
That seems a bit counterproductive
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 10:56:27 GMT
To fully experience the inner worlds, we need to be willing to separate from our persona (mask).
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Post by leonardo on Sept 10, 2008 11:57:10 GMT
I believe energies in lodge exist to guide us, if we are open and receptive to them, that is.
But some Masons may not receive or benefit from all their lodge has to offer; those who simply go through the motions, for example, may well be wasting valuable opportunities.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 21:03:27 GMT
I believe energies in lodge exist to guide us, if we are open and receptive to them, that is. I believe energies exist within ourselves.. Our minds are adept at identifying patterns, even where none were intended. In the case of Freemasonry, I suggest there was intent and that its forms and rituals are, at one level of meaning, modeled on the inner world. When identifying a pattern we tend to join the dots and fill in the details. Thus, we can (and are intended to) perceive more than is presented. To distinguish between such phenomena, bear in mind that our physical senses are sensitive to physical noumena (e.g., waves). If we perceive something, apparently through our eyes, which we concede could not be recorded by a hypothetically super-sensitive camera, we are not seeing beyond but rather within. Let us not confuse the two worlds. For instance, our physical body may be equivalent to The Lodge Tyler (which is the only aspect to be perceived from outside the Lodge). The Inner Guard can represent the etheric body, on which the physical is structured (the IG also functions as the "dweller on the threshold," one's first, apparently menacing impression of the inner world). The Junior and Senior Deacons can represent the lower intellect and emotions respectively. And the three principal officers can represent three aspects of the one universal self, at the core of each of us: Wisdom, Strength and Beauty, if you will, or wisdom, intent (purpose) and inclination (love), etc. This experience is common to all humans and, to a degree, to all sentient beings, it extends beyond the personal and can be mutually shared by all who cross that inner threshold. The Jungian notion of universal archetypes is useful here. However, I believe Jung did not go far enough. We are firstly spiritual beings having a physical experience rather than physical beings having a spiritual experience.
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 21:04:13 GMT
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 10, 2008 21:17:26 GMT
Let us not confuse the two worlds. The distinction is vital: While I agree with the Zen saying whereby, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!" I would add, "If you meet the Buddha within, enthrone her!"
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Post by leonardo on Sept 10, 2008 21:28:41 GMT
I believe energies in lodge exist to guide us, if we are open and receptive to them, that is. I believe energies exist within ourselves.. Indeed. There also.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 10, 2008 22:11:59 GMT
I am sure some here do propose alternative explanations for the interesting experiences of others - and thereby avoid having to investigate further.
I would be most interested in receiving some reports on the psychological processes involved.
Is there some relief from having explained away?
If so, what is the part that is relieved?
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