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Post by lauderdale on Oct 19, 2008 21:47:55 GMT
It would seem to me that GOdF is dealing with this matter. Now as far as I am concerned they should be left to get on with it.
I do wonder if there was similar problem affecting UGLE and some of its Lodges which transgressed its rules would there be such a plethora of posting about it or on the contrary would we be admonished for discussing and speculating on an internal matter of UGLE?
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 19, 2008 23:02:20 GMT
Steve
This discussion (and I stress discussion) is about what is happening within GOdF, no one is criticising a Grand Lodge therefore no one is breaking any rules, as far as I am concerned it is simply a discussion.
I feel you bringing up the UGLE in reference to this discussion is not neccessary and bears absolutley no relevance to this discussion. In the past we have discussed many policies of UGLE including the appointment of provincial officers a particular favourite of yours I know.
The point I am making here is as long as this remains a discussion on what is going on and there is no attacks on The GOdF, members can discuss all they like, if it is a subject you do not like then I would remind you that you do not have to contribute or comment, please do not use these posts to continually have a go at UGLE, it isnt needed here, we love everybody, equally!
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 20, 2008 8:11:01 GMT
Bro MP, in this instance I was NOT "having a go at UGLE", merely using it as an example and comparison.
I suspect a hidden agenda in Architect's postings and feel that whilst appearing to be a benign informant, there is a purpose to emphasise any dissent in Continental or if you prefer Francophone Freemasonry, perhaps to make a comparison with the apparent Harmony in the Anglo-Saxon Masonic camp. I again have to ask, were there to be some similar quarrel (which as far as I am aware there is not at this time) within UGLE for example between Grand Lodge or a PGM and some Lodges would he be as keen to post continuous updates on that matter?
Sorry but I feel there is something more to these postings of Architekt's.
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Post by imakegarb on Oct 20, 2008 8:54:08 GMT
Bro. Steve, as I already have mentioned, I know Bro. Arch. I vouch for him. He no more has a hidden agenda than do you. Digging for it isn't cool.
It also isn't your place to do so here. You are not a moderator or admin here. You are a visitor. Visitors here are expected to treat each other with respect. If you become concerned about another visitor here, you certainly are free to bring that concern to the attention to one of the admins or mods here. Taking action on your own is not appropriate.
As for asking what steps UGLE would take were She in a similar situation . . . Bro. MP, who is an admin here, already has stated bringing up the UGLE in reference to this discussion, which is about another Grand Lodge, is not necessary and bears no relevance to the discussion topic of this thread. The policies of UGLE have been discussed in other threads here and at length. Those threads may be revisited if you'd like to revive one but there's not need to repeat all that information in this thread.
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 20, 2008 9:05:36 GMT
Bro MP, in this instance I was NOT "having a go at UGLE", merely using it as an example and comparison. I suspect a hidden agenda in Architect's postings and feel that whilst appearing to be a benign informant, there is a purpose to emphasise any dissent in Continental or if you prefer Francophone Freemasonry, perhaps to make a comparison with the apparent Harmony in the Anglo-Saxon Masonic camp. I again have to ask, were there to be some similar quarrel (which as far as I am aware there is not at this time) within UGLE for example between Grand Lodge or a PGM and some Lodges would he be as keen to post continuous updates on that matter? Sorry but I feel there is something more to these postings of Architekt's. Steve I am sorry but I do not see the relevance in using UGLE as an example in this discussion. With reference to the rest of your post. I am dissappointed that you feel this way about Bro Architekt, I also know who this Bro is and one of the plusses of having a Bro like him on this Board is he will provide information to which all the Forum members may wish to comment on. I know he was under the impression that this board was mainly for Co-Masons and Female masons so he tended to post subjects relating to them rather than 'Mainstream' UGLE amnity masonry. He is now fully aware that this Forum is inclusive of every Stream of Freemasonry. From a purely impartial viewpoint it seems every time he posts a story or comment about Co-masonry or Female only masonry, if God forbid he has made a small mistake or perhaps not got it quite right. He seems to be jumped on as if he is some sort of devious crook. Please take it from me, this brother will only contribute to everybodies knowledge of all things masonic. I do not think your treatment of him does you justice.
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 20, 2008 9:09:03 GMT
Ok, as I have said passim, you can't beat City Hall so I shall "reserve my opinion" on this subject henceforth.
I would just like to make it clear that to the best of my knowledge and belief UGLE does not have such problems as being publicised about GOdF. If they had I am sure they would deal with them quietly and internally. I merely used it as an example and could equally have said GL of Scotland, or GL of Ireland or any other similar body and would again state that I am unaware of any such problems in those two bodies either.
I am off to a couple of LDH Admin Meetings now so you will be left in peace.
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Post by middlepillar on Oct 20, 2008 9:15:39 GMT
I would like to emphasise just how successful this Forum has become in imparting masonic Knowledge to everyone. We have a large portion of our membership made up of Co-masons from different obediences, for the majority of masons this is hard to understand, but luckily for us we have contributors here like Steve, Cora, Maat, Whistler and Karen who can explain these differences to the benefit of us all. We also have plenty of mainstream UGLE Amnity masons like Bod, Bill, maximus, myself who are happy to put our thoughts and experiences in the pot. Then we have brothers like Tamrin who is full of loads of information and must have an encyclopaedia in his head. The beauty of this Forum is its diversity. We will of course not agree all the time, (I rarely disagree with Steve but it does happen) but the beauty of this Forum and the reason it works is because the membership is quite capable of dissecting all the arguments, form thier own opinions and moving on without copping the hump! lets keep it hat way. Cheers
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Post by penfold on Oct 20, 2008 10:44:59 GMT
I would like to emphasise just how successful this Forum has become in imparting masonic Knowledge to everyone....... The beauty of this Forum is its diversity. We will of course not agree all the time......the beauty of this Forum and the reason it works is because the membership is quite capable of dissecting all the arguments, form thier own opinions and moving on without copping the hump! lets keep it that way. Cheers SMIB! Well said MP
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Post by imakegarb on Oct 20, 2008 19:05:35 GMT
. . . of every Stream of Freemasonry. . . Oh, I liiiiiiiike that ;D I think I'll use it. A time or two And, yup, all very well said
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Post by corab on Oct 21, 2008 12:00:13 GMT
Now this is a most interesting position to take. If the members cannot be suspended from the Order, does that then theoretically leave them the opportunity to seek membership of other lodges in the Order? This strikes me as a very diplomatic move. If the members cannot be suspended, then it would be down to the individual lodge (which under GOdF has significant autonomy) to say aye or nay. Now bear in mind that 49% of the membership represented at the recent Convent National voted in favour of initiation women ... Hmmm. Very interesting indeed. UPDATE:Suspension of the Five Lodges of the GODF for Initiating Women. . . But Not Their Members
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Post by brandt on Oct 22, 2008 23:01:09 GMT
Lodges should deal with their own members. The Grand Orient is dealing with its lodges. It is an interesting situation to say the least and I have been following it as close as possible.
Frat.·. Brandt
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Post by leonardo on Oct 23, 2008 10:06:19 GMT
Lodges should deal with their own members. The Grand Orient is dealing with its lodges. It is an interesting situation to say the least and I have been following it as close as possible. Frat.·. Brandt Well said, Bro Brandt. All this speculation doesn't really solve anything and it's best left to those concerned to resolve any issues that need resolving. IMO.
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Post by maximus on Oct 23, 2008 12:03:19 GMT
Ultimately, it is an internal matter. As such, it is merely an interesting thing to watch from the outside. It has no effect on me or my lodge at all, so, it is of no real consequence.
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 23, 2008 12:29:24 GMT
I also feel that we should let GOdF and the Brethren and Lodges involved sort this matter out for themselves. I am sure that the French will apply their usual common-sense and come up with a reasonable compromise solution which is acceptable to the majority and which will cause the minimum of "collateral damage". I wish my French Brethren well.
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Post by brandt on Oct 23, 2008 13:01:11 GMT
True enough. It is a matter for the Grand Orient of France to solve and they have addressed serious issues before. I am sure that they will do what is good for the Grand Orient of France and the Brethren who are members.
Brandt
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Post by brandt on Oct 29, 2008 0:44:47 GMT
France is big enough to handle it. Of course it is much smaller than the United States, which is also big enough to handle it, but that matters not one bit.
Having several friends in the GOdF I can say that these Brethren will exercise the greatest care in dealing with this situation. I have come to respect these Brothers a great deal. They are very quick witted and intelligent. It will not be a boring year.
Frat.·. Brandt
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Post by leonardo on Oct 29, 2008 8:33:47 GMT
Talking to an academic contact in the GOdeF, he believes snowballs will have a better chance of survival in hell before the GO votes to admit women Does he really? My wife (a fellow Freemason) and I have only just returned from a fabulous visit to their GL in Paris and while there she was treated with the same respect as any of the us male Masons, referred to as "Brother" throughout, etc... Wonderful people.
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