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Post by maat on Nov 10, 2008 22:55:09 GMT
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
Lots of questions here....
Why do people tend to dismiss out of hand any suggestion that there actually were giant people in (??) the earth in those days.
Why IN the earth? Any suggestion that the Earth is hollow?
If they were IN the earth, are the fallen angels entombed IN the Earth as the bible states. And are they still there?
How can disembodied angels procreate, or even feel the need to?
Were they really sons of God, or just sons of gods? ( beings whom the recording inhabitants of the time considered vastly superior to themselves, and so - gods?)
Maat
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Post by maat on Nov 10, 2008 22:56:02 GMT
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Post by maat on Nov 10, 2008 23:04:47 GMT
And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them,… they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth,.. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven⌉⌉, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High.". And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind….… Book of Enoch Descended? Don't angels 'just appear'? Looking down? The 'trying to feed the giants' problem might go some way to explaining why the gods demanded blood sacrifices .... the gods liked BBQ's, especially lamb and young flesh. The Watchers were bad prison guards? (hope they are not watching me type this )
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Post by maat on Nov 10, 2008 23:10:41 GMT
Thus the name of one of the giants is Gilgamesh, the Babylonian hero and subject of a great epic written in the third millennium B.C.E. www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htmFrom the Epic of Gilgamesh Anu granted him the totality of knowledge of all. He saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden, he brought information of (the time) before the Flood. Two-thirds of him is god, one-third of him is human (which can happen if a demi God marries his half sister… as was the practice in royal families back then) www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_Technol/030429.Gilgamesh.tomb.htmlRemember that the Bible story of Og of Bashan and his connection to the Noah and the Flood story? Pharoah's were thought to be sons of god and they married their half sisters... DNA = Two thirds divinity. (Not to mention all those giant statues which abound in Egypt).
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Post by paulh on Nov 10, 2008 23:20:02 GMT
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Post by maat on Nov 10, 2008 23:29:41 GMT
Did you know that the giant stones of pyramid fame, which mystify engineers to this day, weigh from 2.5 tons to 15 tons?
Did you know that there is a tunnel extending from the Western Wall in Jerusalem which passes through the remains of streets, water tunnels, water pools, archways, structures and marketplaces from previous periods of history and dated right back to biblical times. UNDERNEATH all this are 4 (only) massive stone blocks
One 42 feet long One 40 feet long One 25 feet long All 14 feet depth (soil penetrating radar and other soundings used)
The largest stone weighs 600 tons! (1,200,000 pounds) The second stone weighs about 570 tons! The third stone weighs 355 tons!
One might conclude that 'the giants' who gave man knowledge about plants and planets - knew a thing or two about engineering. These stones were put in place in very ancient times, when the bible tells us giants were in the earth in those days.
Maat
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Post by maximus on Nov 11, 2008 3:01:16 GMT
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Post by kaniball2 on Dec 8, 2008 5:23:22 GMT
apparently the giants kept killing humans and stealing from them. Back in cave man days. The Humans teamed up and wiped them out. Thats what i was told.
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Post by paulh on Dec 9, 2008 4:33:27 GMT
In some traditions the giants were stealing the human women and that was the reason for the human attacks
So why would the giants be short of females?
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Post by maat on Dec 9, 2008 4:55:58 GMT
So why would the giants be short of females? Because there usually is a shortage of females in expeditions? They were hybrids? They ate the women when they got hungry? I dunno.. Maat (.. 'giants being short' is funny ;D )
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Post by paulh on Dec 9, 2008 5:24:10 GMT
Your first choice is pretty good as an hypothesis
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 9, 2008 9:00:08 GMT
In some traditions the giants were stealing the human women and that was the reason for the human attacks So why would the giants be short of females? Must have been jolly uncomfortable for the human females?
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Post by maat on Dec 9, 2008 23:37:33 GMT
Decorum please. Remember the apron.
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Post by Ziggy on Dec 11, 2008 4:50:08 GMT
Must have been jolly uncomfortable for the human females? You've said a mouth full... A Fowl mouth Succubus full, or Blood Sucking Harpy if you prefer. But I'm sure some thug will come down with with symptoms of "Hysteria" over this post, if I continue, so I won't.
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Post by windtimber on Dec 21, 2008 2:57:49 GMT
Giants in the earth? I didn't know Ole Rolvaag was a Freemason...
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 21, 2008 11:21:06 GMT
I don't know about that, Windtimber, but the Russian Boxer Nikolay Valuev is a giant and saw-off Evander Holyfield last night!
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Post by keith on Dec 22, 2008 2:30:57 GMT
I think that the term "giants' came from the enormous structures left behind by ordinary men doing extraordinary things - such as the Roman buildings left after the Legions were withdrawn from Britain, Hundreds of years later they were thought to be the work of giants. Then there are the Neolithic remains, Silbury Hill, Stonehenge, Cadbury Rings etc and overseas, the pyramids not only in Africa but in Central and South America. And there are others.
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Post by windtimber on Dec 27, 2008 16:13:15 GMT
I don't know about that, Windtimber, but the Russian Boxer Nikolay Valuev is a giant and saw-off Evander Holyfield last night! Wow, I haven't had the opportunity to watch a boxing match in years! Now that I think about it - and of course this is way off topic - whatever happened to boxing in the USA? Don't even see it on the obscure cable sports channels anymore... Oh, as you probably already know, Ole Rolvaag was a Norwegian/American writer who wrote, among other things, a novel about immigrant homesteaders. The title was "Giants in the Earth." Couldn't resist the fooling about a bit!
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 26, 2009 20:03:56 GMT
Why do people tend to dismiss out of hand any suggestion that there actually were giant people in (??) the earth in those days.
Because it's a stupid idea, perhaps? I mean, if there were giants back then, why haven't we dug up their skeletons?
Why IN the earth? Any suggestion that the Earth is hollow?
The Bible, you must remember, was not originally composed in English. It is a translation from an ancient and, at that time, dead tongue into another tongue that is practically dead to us, as speakers of the modern idiom. Accordingly, some of its phrases are not quite on-the-money as far as either the original meaning or our interpretations of them are concerned.
You will recall that in the Book of Job, Satan mentions to God where he has been, "going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it". No suggestion that the Earth, as well as having depths, might also be tipped up on one side, is there?
If they were IN the earth, are the fallen angels entombed IN the Earth as the bible states.
The Bible does not mention angels being entombed anywhere.
How can disembodied angels procreate, or even feel the need to?
Always assuming they are disembodied. If they were designed by God as the perfect prototypes of Man, which seems not entirely unreasonable, might they not also have bodies? Bodies perfect in every respect, including genitals, anuses, nipples, navels? Even, might I suggest, appendices?
Were they really sons of God, or just sons of gods?
This is an artificial and modern distinction. There are no capitals or lower case letters in square Hebrew characters. And anyway, the manufactured controversy assumes that the origin of this story is in a people who were always monotheistic. The facts do not support this. In the Bible are to be found many references to other gods, and not as idols, but as entities capable of worship. Why would these lines be given to God in Exodus,"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God", unless there was someone of whom to be jealous?
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Post by ruffashlar on Feb 26, 2009 20:31:52 GMT
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