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Post by Blackadder on Jan 29, 2009 2:38:29 GMT
The SW at my Lodge wants to be installed as WM next year by Brothers from Scotland, I don't mean just the installing officer he wants the whole ceremony done the way it is done in Scotland.
Does any of the learned Brothers know of this happening in the past? I know for a fact any Past Master can be the installing officer.
The SW said if he approaches any of the Past Masters from out lodge they will all say no way ,even without knowing the correct answer.
The SW also wants to have a closed installation,no Eastern Star, Rainbow Girls ,No family just Masons. He want dignity brought back to Masonry at our lodge.This will go down like a lead balloon.
If any Brothers could shed some light on this matter or care to give there thoughts they would be gratefully appreciated.
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Post by mrmason on Jan 29, 2009 11:12:03 GMT
I doubt if this would be allowed to happen. Firstly I would say that dispensation will be needed by both GL's, but I would question why does he not wish his own workings to be carried out. Ancient usages and estsblished customs would spring to mind in this case. Keeping ones heritage is an important part of each constitution.
There is a possibilty that a demonstration ceremony may be held but to conferr it on an actual new master might be difficult.
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Post by Blackadder on Jan 29, 2009 13:39:58 GMT
Our installation of officers is very undignified and very unmasonic. Its more to do with families and the Eastern Star. Our lodge is basically run by the Eastern Star, all the PM and there wives are members.
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Post by mrmason on Jan 29, 2009 20:26:03 GMT
I'm not sure what the answer would be. You could however ask a few scottish brethren to attend and assist in the ritual without any invovlment of any of the GL's, but if it came to light there might be questions to be answered.
I would have thought that if many of the members of the lodge are of the same opinion then the majority could vote to have the ceremony changed.
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Post by Blackadder on Jan 29, 2009 22:14:09 GMT
I spoke to the Grand Secretary today. he said no at first then he thought about it,and said if the Scottish Installation ceremony is written out in full and he can get a copy and he thinks it can be done,with or without changes he will speak to the Grand Master. He thought it was a great idea after I yapped on about it being historic and being good for Masonry as a whole,and it might get some of the brothers back to the lodge.
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Post by mrmason on Jan 29, 2009 22:27:35 GMT
The standard Scottish ritual installation can be bought from the GLoS website. Many lodges while using it as a guide, also have their own individual workings.
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Post by Blackadder on Jan 30, 2009 0:48:30 GMT
Thanks for the info Br. MrMason, I received an email from a PM in Scotland and he is sending me a copy. ;D
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Post by ricardo on Feb 10, 2009 13:42:41 GMT
I spoke to the Grand Secretary today. he said no at first then he thought about it,and said if the Scottish Installation ceremony is written out in full and he can get a copy and he thinks it can be done,with or without changes he will speak to the Grand Master. He thought it was a great idea after I yapped on about it being historic and being good for Masonry as a whole,and it might get some of the brothers back to the lodge. You say "historic". It's my understanding that the Installed Master ceremony was introduced in Scotland in the mid 1800's, to match the Irish and English ceremonies which began (much?) earlier. It seems prior to this Masters of Scottish Lodges might have been embarassed when visiting lodges of other jurisdictions - probably more of a problem to Scottish Masons in the colonies (which tended to have lodges of two or three jurisdictions meeting cheek by jowl) than to those resident in Scotland. After the Master Elect receives the information peculiar to an Installed Master he is placed in the Chair. This information is not the same for all jurisdictions, even within the British Isles. The following ceremony also differs. The new WM may variably be proclaimed in each degree, may be presented with the WTs of each degree, be handed some or all of the VSL, the Warrant, Grand Lodge Constitutions and By-Laws, and be addressed by the Installing Officer. He then invests the other Officers. The Irish installation is conducted entirely in the EA degree (apart from the Inner Working). I have rambled. I find the ceremonies associated with Installation of a new Master among the most interesting in Freemasonry, and have been lucky to witness versions in seven jurisdictions working in Australia, also in Ireland, Scotland, Canada and the USA (including two different Prince Hall jurisdictions). S&F Ricardo
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Post by pottymack on Mar 7, 2009 21:35:48 GMT
how do you mean foreign who built your mation
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Post by maximus on Mar 8, 2009 0:20:19 GMT
how do you mean foreign who built your mation [sic] Easy laddie.
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