afterthought
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Post by afterthought on Mar 19, 2009 17:26:24 GMT
There may be no topic as boring and noninteresting as "Masonic Regularity" and "Validation."
Validation, can there possibly be a more profane concept?
These are just clubs, that is it when you get down to brass tax. Like churches, knitting circles and hair salons there are plenty to choose from. Investigate, find if they offer what you want and join; or don't.
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afterthought
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Post by afterthought on Mar 19, 2009 17:58:41 GMT
The Department Of Motor Vehicles is also part of the gorvernment and it is just about as uninteresting.
The comparision is a good one.
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afterthought
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Post by afterthought on Mar 19, 2009 18:24:14 GMT
You can make any conclusion that you'd like.
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Post by maximus on Mar 19, 2009 19:20:37 GMT
I do so love it when the feathers are taken out as part of the tickle feast. I like to tickle Russell. I borrow Maat's feather when she is not looking.
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2009 20:46:52 GMT
Masonry is organized within several "camps." Some talk to each other and some don't. Some talk to some and not to others. That is just the way that governments go. Yes, the workings of all of those governments I find quite boring at times. Yet it is the boring stuff that must be done if a group is to work as an organized body.
Is there anything in common between the various Masonic organizations?
Brandt
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2009 20:47:57 GMT
Grand Lodges have laws which are created by Grand Lodges. Every organization claiming to be Masonic considers themselves to be legitimate. Therefore it takes another authority to grant recognition that validates their legitimacy. As an individual Freemason, I do not possess the authority to determine legitimacy, that authority lies with my Grand Lodge(s) and those other Grand Lodges that they have chosen to be in amity with. While regularity and recognition share the same 8 principals one must always remember that regularity is a element of Masonic Law while recognition is a political device. We on this forum may discuss any subject, many may agree with each other, but we cannot make new law or declare a state of amity. All we may do is hold Masonic intercourse. SMIB. I don't think that anyone on this forum is trying to get their respective organizations recognized by anyone else's. Brandt
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afterthought
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Post by afterthought on Mar 19, 2009 20:59:22 GMT
[/quote] I based my conclusion on the notion that a true FM would not actually be that blasé when comparing Masonry. [/quote]
I am glad that your conclusion works for you. I have other concearns.
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Post by maat on Mar 19, 2009 23:20:08 GMT
Unless of course one considers Masonry to be a version of a mixed knitting circle with ritual. ;D I was told as much this very day by a member of another forum. Nothing wrong with just going along to lodge to have a night with your mates, sharing a bowl of chili, and if some want more than that well let them go read their books. ... (paraphrased) I was appalled. Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 19, 2009 23:23:56 GMT
While regularity and recognition share the same 8 principals one must always remember that regularity is a element of Masonic Law while recognition is a political device. Would that enough Masons were developed enough to be able to recognise another Bro by the colours in their aura. Apron colours are unreliable. Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 20, 2009 2:41:22 GMT
We know this Bro very well architekt, you could say we are drinking mates We were all absolutely delighted with her win! Maat
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Post by imakegarb on Mar 20, 2009 3:13:24 GMT
Bro. Brandt, I'm just about to bust. And it looks like you won't talk about it in that other place so . . . How'd the weekend go?
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Post by vtmason on Mar 20, 2009 12:26:25 GMT
BTW - The GOUSA is in the spotlight. It is considered news in American Masonry in the same way that the GLAEng. is considered concerning UGLE. If GOUSA wish to be accepted as part of the Masonic world it needs to be less secretive about matters like a new GM. I also assume the position of Chancellor has been filled as the promotion created a vacancy. Dude. GOUSA is certainly not in the spotlight. I guarantee that if you polled 1000 Freemasons on Facebook not even half would know the Grand Lodge exists. Put the claws back in and let them do their thing in peace. (No pun intended)
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Post by brandt on Mar 20, 2009 13:13:25 GMT
Brother Karen, I am getting to it. I have been a bit swamped lately. But for you dear lady I will report as I promised as well as lay out plans for the weekend as it is indeed Friday again.
VTMason, you are right in one shot. We are not in the spotlight as we have chosen not to be. It is much easier to get our work done that way.
Brandt
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Post by maximus on Mar 20, 2009 13:49:44 GMT
Dude. GOUSA is certainly not in the spotlight. I guarantee that if you polled 1000 Freemasons on Facebook not even half would know the Grand Lodge exists. Put the claws back in and let them do their thing in peace. (No pun intended) Agreed. I garuntee no one else in my Lodge has heard of them. Heck, they hav'nt heard of woman Freemasons, except as a distant rumor.
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Post by brandt on Mar 20, 2009 15:24:38 GMT
Oh, what else would I do with my time ;-)
I have had to drag some other Brothers into the mix to help me keep up though. I have a Brother who has taken on dealing with the contacts that I receive on nearly a daily basis from Brothers and profanes. I deal mostly with inter-organizational contacts and communications.
There were a lot of predictions about us. Some were just common sense. Some were way off base. The viability of the Grand Orient is in our Lodges, not in the Executive Board. Our Lodges are doing fine and growing.
I apologize if I am short at times with responses. I receive communications regularly and I only have 25 hours in a day.
Brandt
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 20, 2009 17:20:51 GMT
With respect - believe me GOUSA is most definitely in the spotlight in the wider masonic world. Many had already predicted months ago that the recent past events would soon come to pass sooner rather than later. These are serious masonic observers and not some group of nutcases. The GOUSA is definitely an 'experiment' (work in progress) for American Masonry and only time will tell if it can survive and build a viable membership. The real problem has been that all of those involved in this venture are ex-regular Masons and most were highly controversial members in their own lodges. They have now come together under the umbrella of GOUSA. So it is easy to see that differences of opinion were likely to arise as they already have. I hope this message illustrates what I mean by spotlight. I don't envy the role of the Gd.Sec. in having to deal with all these matters both internal and external. Bro Architekt Is this fact or your opinion? IMO I do not see the relevance of this conversation, Bro brandt has answered as much as he wants to, why is this such a big deal? I have to agree that in the real masonic World very few people have heard of GOUSA (mores the pity) I congratulate you on any prediction you may of had that has come true. For me, I always think it is sad when things go wrong for brethren, no matter what my opinion is of there quest. I only wish Brandt and his brothers and sisters every success in the future. Please can we now let go of this bone and get back to normal
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afterthought
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Post by afterthought on Mar 20, 2009 18:51:52 GMT
Serious Masonic observers? Are there that many people with so much leisure time?
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Post by afterthought on Mar 20, 2009 21:29:44 GMT
Serious Masonic observers? Are there that many people with so much leisure time? Yes, plenty of them and they make the time. They are active Freemasons and not non-mason forum commentators. My father probably would have called them active "busybodies" but I suppose that term may seem quite antiquated.
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Post by afterthought on Mar 20, 2009 22:58:58 GMT
I have just read all 47 of your messages since you joined less than one month ago. Virtually all of them are replies to messages posted. Have you anything you wish to post that is original to you? When I do; I will imagine that I'll post it. It has always been my intention to read more than to post.
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Post by vtmason on Mar 20, 2009 23:56:34 GMT
Bro Architekt Is this fact or your opinion? Fact. If it has been my opinion I was stating then I would have said so. Normal service is resumed! I'm not sure where your facts come from. I guess sources would be in order. Facts are that GOUSA hasn't come before CoGMNA Facts are that there are over 100 "irregular" Grand Lodges that have a larger influence and more members than GOUSA Facts are that if you google my name there are more Masonic hits than the GOUSA.
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