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Post by themarshall on Apr 3, 2009 18:22:35 GMT
.......for further light.
However this forum is not the place to find it.
Think back to our obligations as a MM. There are a number of things here that conflict with them.
This is one brother whispering good council in another's ear.
May God bless each of us in all our endeavors
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Post by leonardo on Apr 3, 2009 22:14:56 GMT
What's are you on about? Explain please what on this forum "conflicts" with the MM OB...........
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Post by middlepillar on Apr 3, 2009 22:28:34 GMT
.......for further light. This however this forum is not the place to find it. Think back to our obligations as a MM. There are a number of things here that conflict with them. This is one brother whispering good council in another's ear. May God bless each of us in all our endeavors Please state the number of things that conflict with my obligation. But a word of advice, make sure you actually know what you are talking about.
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Post by joyrock on Apr 3, 2009 22:35:30 GMT
There is no need to take the bait.
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Post by themarshall on Apr 4, 2009 1:58:36 GMT
.......for further light. This however this forum is not the place to find it. Think back to our obligations as a MM. There are a number of things here that conflict with them. This is one brother whispering good council in another's ear. May God bless each of us in all our endeavors Please state the number of things that conflict with my obligation. But a word of advice, make sure you actually know what you are talking about. Your obligation was different than mine. This quote is from the website of your organization "THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF CO-FREEMASONRY, LE DROIT HUMAIN The International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain, is a fraternal brotherhood that has many Federations and Jurisdictions worldwide. In contrast to other Masonic obediences, it is a global Order.
The Order has its headquarters in Paris. Every country works the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, from the 1st to the 33rd degree inclusive.
The Order is administered by the Supreme Council, although, within the International Constitution, Federations have the freedom of self-governance. It is recognised by other Orders in many countries throughout the world, which maintain the same principles. There are some Masonic bodies that admit men only and do not recognise any Orders of Freemasonry that admit women.
The government of the British Federation is vested in the Representative of the Supreme Council, known as the Most Puissant Grand Commander, who holds the 33rd and highest degree of the Order."I have great respect for your knowledge and could learn many many thing from you. This is absolutely not an attack of you. You have chosen to be a member of Co-Freemasonry. This is a Clandestine form of Masonry. For this reason I will not converse upon the secrets of Freemasonry with you. Despite the wealth of knowledge you have to share. My obligation forbids me from any Masonic communications with men or women from your organization. I wish you the very best in life and hope your are a better man for your affiliations.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 4, 2009 2:20:43 GMT
It's a shame that people take obligations that they do not understand. It is even more of a shame when they are fundementalist about what they don't understand.
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Post by themarshall on Apr 4, 2009 2:29:17 GMT
It's a shame that people take obligations that they do not understand. It is even more of a shame when they are fundementalist about what they don't understand. Tell me you have read Morals and Dogma. If you had you would not speak with such arrogance. Albert Pike was quite clear as is the Constitution of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, England and the 50 States in the US. Please do not take me for a fool. Your choice is yours, but it does not make it right. The profane do not know the difference or truth of Freemasonry. Perhaps you don't either.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 4, 2009 2:50:20 GMT
It's a shame that people take obligations that they do not understand. It is even more of a shame when they are fundementalist about what they don't understand. Tell me you have read Morals and Dogma. If you had you would not speak with such arrogance. Albert Pike was quite clear as is the Constitution of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, England and the 50 States in the US. Please do not take me for a fool. Your choice is yours, but it does not make it right. The profane do not know the difference or truth of Freemasonry. Perhaps you don't either. Albert Pike was also pro Co-Masonry. He was a huge fan of the Rite of Adoption. I don't take you for a fool but I also do not know why you wish to come here and insult people.
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Post by middlepillar on Apr 4, 2009 9:15:21 GMT
Please state the number of things that conflict with my obligation. But a word of advice, make sure you actually know what you are talking about. Your obligation was different than mine. This quote is from the website of your organization "THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF CO-FREEMASONRY, LE DROIT HUMAIN The International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain, is a fraternal brotherhood that has many Federations and Jurisdictions worldwide. In contrast to other Masonic obediences, it is a global Order.
The Order has its headquarters in Paris. Every country works the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, from the 1st to the 33rd degree inclusive.
The Order is administered by the Supreme Council, although, within the International Constitution, Federations have the freedom of self-governance. It is recognised by other Orders in many countries throughout the world, which maintain the same principles. There are some Masonic bodies that admit men only and do not recognise any Orders of Freemasonry that admit women.
The government of the British Federation is vested in the Representative of the Supreme Council, known as the Most Puissant Grand Commander, who holds the 33rd and highest degree of the Order."I have great respect for your knowledge and could learn many many thing from you. This is absolutely not an attack of you. You have chosen to be a member of Co-Freemasonry. This is a Clandestine form of Masonry. For this reason I will not converse upon the secrets of Freemasonry with you. Despite the wealth of knowledge you have to share. My obligation forbids me from any Masonic communications with men or women from your organization. I wish you the very best in life and hope your are a better man for your affiliations. You see this is what I mean by saying be sure you know what you are talking about! I am a member of UGLE, I have been for 20 years. The first mistake you appear to have made is believing this Forum is made up entirely of Co-Masons, the second misake is believing it is run and moderated by Co-masons. There are 5 moderators who belong to UGLE and 3 who belong to Co-masonry. The second mistake you have made which is quite a common one, is to believe everything you have read from one source. I am afraid you are severely mistaken if you believe actually talking about Freemasonry to the profane is a sin let alone to another Freemason of a different organisation. Please point out where in any obligation it tells you that you must never talk about Freemasonry to anyone other than a member of your own 'type' of Freemasonry. The obligation I took is very specific, I must never reveal the passwords and pass grips (in other words the modes of recognition). This Forum was set up with the sole intention of enabling freemasons and non-freemasons from around the world to discuss every aspect of Freemasonry in an open and interesting way. With the exception of giving away our modes of recognition we pretty much allow most topics for discussion. If this is too much for you to understand or more importantly appreciate, I would suggest you do not bother to participate in our discussions. If you actually want to receive light and instruction then take off your shades, take off you ear muffs and open your mind. You will be welcomed. Please do not come here quoting one book to people who have probably read and understood more than you will ever do. Now get off your horse and join in, or go away. The choice is yours. One warning if you continue to state things you know very little about or things that are just plain stupid your account will be deleted. I do not want that to happen but is is very simple to do.
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 4, 2009 11:02:08 GMT
Can you help me out on this , I cant find any reference to it.
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Post by themarshall on Apr 4, 2009 13:42:43 GMT
Your obligation was different than mine. This quote is from the website of your organization "THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER OF CO-FREEMASONRY, LE DROIT HUMAIN The International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain, is a fraternal brotherhood that has many Federations and Jurisdictions worldwide. In contrast to other Masonic obediences, it is a global Order.
The Order has its headquarters in Paris. Every country works the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite, from the 1st to the 33rd degree inclusive.
The Order is administered by the Supreme Council, although, within the International Constitution, Federations have the freedom of self-governance. It is recognised by other Orders in many countries throughout the world, which maintain the same principles. There are some Masonic bodies that admit men only and do not recognise any Orders of Freemasonry that admit women.
The government of the British Federation is vested in the Representative of the Supreme Council, known as the Most Puissant Grand Commander, who holds the 33rd and highest degree of the Order."I have great respect for your knowledge and could learn many many thing from you. This is absolutely not an attack of you. You have chosen to be a member of Co-Freemasonry. This is a Clandestine form of Masonry. For this reason I will not converse upon the secrets of Freemasonry with you. Despite the wealth of knowledge you have to share. My obligation forbids me from any Masonic communications with men or women from your organization. I wish you the very best in life and hope your are a better man for your affiliations. You see this is what I mean by saying be sure you know what you are talking about! I am a member of UGLE, I have been for 20 years. The first mistake you appear to have made is believing this Forum is made up entirely of Co-Masons, the second misake is believing it is run and moderated by Co-masons. There are 5 moderators who belong to UGLE and 3 who belong to Co-masonry. The second mistake you have made which is quite a common one, is to believe everything you have read from one source. I am afraid you are severely mistaken if you believe actually talking about Freemasonry to the profane is a sin let alone to another Freemason of a different organisation. Please point out where in any obligation it tells you that you must never talk about Freemasonry to anyone other than a member of your own 'type' of Freemasonry. The obligation I took is very specific, I must never reveal the passwords and pass grips (in other words the modes of recognition). This Forum was set up with the sole intention of enabling freemasons and non-freemasons from around the world to discuss every aspect of Freemasonry in an open and interesting way. With the exception of giving away our modes of recognition we pretty much allow most topics for discussion. If this is too much for you to understand or more importantly appreciate, I would suggest you do not bother to participate in our discussions. If you actually want to receive light and instruction then take off your shades, take off you ear muffs and open your mind. You will be welcomed. Please do not come here quoting one book to people who have probably read and understood more than you will ever do. Now get off your horse and join in, or go away. The choice is yours. One warning if you continue to state things you know very little about or things that are just plain stupid your account will be deleted. I do not want that to happen but is is very simple to do. For the second time you have chosen to assume that my disapproval is based on ignorance. I came here in search of light and found irregularity. Again I wish you the very best. I will not be drawn into a conversation about the secrets of Freemasonry. In your continued search for further light in Masonry, I would encourage you to read anyone of these books. They are interesting reading. Albert Pike is at the core of the Scottish Rite and perhaps one of the more applicable, but these are quite good sources of information. A Defence of Freemasonry Beauty and Unity Benjamin Franklin and Voltaire Brief History Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Francis Bacon Secret Society Freemasonry in the Holy Land Lights and Shadows Masonic Law - Albert Mackey and many more. I am off to attend a York Rite Pageant in a Blue Lodge in a near by town. I am welcome there because I have been Raised in a Just and Regularly Constituted Lodge. Which makes all the difference. Good Day
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 4, 2009 15:08:32 GMT
themasrshall Brother let me try to get to your comments. You did say You had assumed that Masonic Forum of Light is a Co Masonic forum. It is not. That was wrong, so there is a little ignorance in there somewhere. I think we have 4 mods and the Forum owner, who are UGLE. middlepillar wear so many Masonic caps he can not afford to put a feather in all of them. I am a Provincial Grand Lodge Officer, which means very little other than I get to wear a glittery goldish trimmed Apron. I look very smart. Ignorance is not a bad thing, being an idiot when you have all the information, well that is a bad thing. I have been ignorant of many things, I am still. What you have said from your perspective is absolutely correct. However may I point you toward the Forum Policy Statement: staffs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=General&action=display&thread=91So you should have been asked to read this when you signed on.
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Post by themarshall on Apr 4, 2009 15:14:28 GMT
... This is a Clandestine form of Masonry... Only to the form and Order of Masonry that you practice. From the prospective of other Orders, your form of Masonry is clandestine. It makes no difference whether you and your Order members consider it Regular or not. You are not recognized by these other Orders and hence you are clandestine in every possble definition of the word. What's more, your original post shows an inconsistancy of character to the point of some major integrity flaws. I pray that you obtain enough Light some day that you shall mend your ways. The world sure could use this. P personal attacks are the predicable reaction in this situation. The pot is often found pointing at the kettle. thank you for making this point on my behalf. Please go to your dictionary and look up the word clandestine.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 4, 2009 15:21:21 GMT
If this where a "Co-Mason" board does that excuse someone coming in here to bait, belittle and abuse it's membership?
FYI: Somone cannot be ignorant with all of the information. That would make them stupid.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 4, 2009 15:23:44 GMT
themarshall, Would you kindly point out in your Ritual where it states that it is a sign of proper Masonic behaviour to belittle and abuse people?
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Post by themarshall on Apr 4, 2009 15:28:32 GMT
I am going to stop stirring this pot and end my brief time on this thread with one last comment.
The men of Masonry in any of its forms are made up of good people. Of this I am sure. For this reason I hold each of you in high regard as Men.
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Post by maximus on Apr 4, 2009 15:38:12 GMT
I go to work and look what happens.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 4, 2009 17:48:32 GMT
I find these types of situations both sad and scarey at the same time. What a shame if this is the end result of present day Masonic education.
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Post by vtmason on Apr 4, 2009 21:04:07 GMT
I go to work and look what happens. I was thinking the same thing, Brother
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Post by AndyF on Apr 5, 2009 2:25:27 GMT
themarshall,
You'll find no one here openly discussing masonic secrets. Nor will anyone here bait you into doing so.
Freemasonry itself was founded upon the ideas of freedom of thought, and seeking further light (among others). If you can learn much from this forum it would seem to be the masonic thing to do, to participate and enjoy it. If your own self imposed prejudice (which you should have been taught to keep within due bounds) prevent you from participating in a brotherly manner, you should probably leave the users of this forum in peace. You stand to gain nothing from disturbing the harmony.
The basic philosophy behind this discussion forum is one of "freemasonry universal". If we all share the same signs tokens and words, the same moral lessons, veiled in the same alegorical stories, and illustrated by the same symbols, are we not practicing the same freemasonry? Regularity and recognition should be decided based upon the freemasonry practiced by a masonic body, not by the people that masonic body excludes from its meetings.
Whether or not you agree with this philosophy, you are aware of the culture of this forum. This should also mean that you are no doubt aware that your remarks are sexist and inflamitory, and that by posting them you could have no other motive than to upset those who come here. How is this masonic behaviour?
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