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Post by Blackadder on May 10, 2009 11:16:00 GMT
I was talking with the SW and JD at a meeting the other night about what is the proper way to address the WM and Past Masters when not in open lodge. At our lodge before and after a meeting the WM and PM's are referred as Worshipful Master and Worshipful ,and District Instructors etc are called Right Honourable.And you will be corrected if you don't or get it wrong. I can understand this while the lodge is at labour as its the office they hold. But I think its a bit silly wanting to be called your title when not in lodge in fact this applies when they are no where near the lodge. Its quite funny when all the Past Masters are having coffee,all you can hear is Worshipful,Worshipful Worshipful,Right Honourable ,Worshipful Master etc.Its very much the Bruce sketch from Monty Python. Im interested to hear if this is common practice or its a case of "look at me and my fancy apron" www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
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Post by penfold on May 11, 2009 18:19:12 GMT
I think it is a mark of respect to continue to address the bretheren by their honorific titles before, during and after the meeting whilst on 'masonic ground' so to speak. However, if you see Wor Br Bill at the store then 'Bill' should be enough If it gets your panties in a bunch so much why not move to change it?
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Post by billmcelligott on May 11, 2009 22:13:33 GMT
You can call me Bill.
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Post by Blackadder on May 11, 2009 23:16:01 GMT
Br. Penfold ,I'm not getting my panties in a bunch, We just think its a bit silly to carry on the way they do,I was interested to know if this was normal masonic practice.
Another reason I asked was that I drive two PM's to lodge one is close to 90 and the other is 75 ,they are both from NY state and they think all this Worshipful this and Worshipful that is very silly and juvenile.
They both told me that once you are out of the Lodge room you can address any Brother as Brother.
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Post by leonardo on May 12, 2009 7:06:21 GMT
Perhaps it has little to do with etiquette and more to do with one’s personal understanding or knowledge of a particular Brother or brothers. Some, Bill, for example, may prefer to be called by their first name in such situations while others may feel the honorific is more appropriate.
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Post by barry on May 12, 2009 19:12:56 GMT
Foolish I think. Especially when as WM you are arrested by your JW for not buying a tram ticket...............
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ruffashlar
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Post by ruffashlar on May 19, 2009 15:01:35 GMT
I'd say it depends. Even in Lodge, whenever the RWM addresses me quietly, within two feet of me and intending only me to hear it (I'm JD this year), he'll just call me John. Then again, if Lodge is over, and we're at Harmony, but he wants me to take the floor and lead the Brethren in a bit of ex tempore entertainment (you haven't lived till you've heard my Birmingham Jail - and once you have, you'll wish for death ;D), he'll probably apostrophise me thus: "Acting Junior Warden, do we have any Harmony?"
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Post by bigjohn835 on Jun 8, 2009 0:51:07 GMT
Seems a bit much too me. Although as a PM, I like it when the newer members make me feel important. Maybe thats just me. As far as masonic law, it depends on your area. As Pa. is different from Ny, and so on. Sounds like a lodge tradition.
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Post by leonardo on Jun 8, 2009 5:23:29 GMT
Seems a bit much too me. Although as a PM, I like it when the newer members make me feel important. Maybe thats just me. Regardless of your position in Lodge If you really need newer members to make you feel important, then your time in Freemasonry may have been wasted. My view is that the most important people in any lodge are the newly initiated.
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Post by leonardo on Jun 8, 2009 14:07:45 GMT
I considered that to be a possibility which is why I wrote, “If you really need newer members to make you feel important.”
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Post by mgc on Jun 8, 2009 22:09:45 GMT
rank shouldnt matter imo.. were not in the army lol.. respect will come natural based on your actions..
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Post by ricardo on Jun 9, 2009 11:57:37 GMT
I have been addressed as "sir" by US Masons - makes me feel v. uncomfortable.
S&F
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Post by keith on Jun 13, 2009 0:27:35 GMT
I use honorifics only on formal occasions, the rest of the time we're all mates together and just use christian (fore)names
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Post by AndyF on Jun 13, 2009 8:26:44 GMT
In a formal manner in open lodge, we use rank and title. Like ruffashlar, if only within earshot of the intended person, only names are used. The festive board is a respectful mix of both.
Rank and title away from a lodge meeting? No chance!
I have received correspondance in the past opening with "Dear Sir & Brother". Its more formal than what I'm used to in my day to day life, but I don't mind it a bit.
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