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Post by Blackadder on Sept 6, 2009 10:48:04 GMT
Last week our Lodge has been given the green light from the GL of Florida for a Lodge from Dundee to come to Florida next January and install our 2010 officers. The Ceremony will be the way it is done in Scotland, there will have to be some subtle changes but these will be kept to a minimum.
We are all very excited that this historic event will take place at our Lodge. ;D
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 7, 2009 3:48:24 GMT
This is splendid news. January is an excellent time to be in Florida. Congrats ;D
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Post by maat on Sept 7, 2009 6:02:49 GMT
How wonderful. It will be a great learning experience all round... I would love the opportunity to see how other jurisdictions do things. We expect a full report after it happens.
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Post by leonardo on Sept 7, 2009 6:30:38 GMT
Excellent news. Intercontinental cooperation like this demonstrates what can be achieved when brethren work together.
Congratulations to all concerned.
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Post by waynecowley on Sept 7, 2009 11:18:02 GMT
Which lodge from Dundee? - I have had the pleasure of attending Lodge Albert 448
Wayne
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Post by Blackadder on Sept 7, 2009 11:43:48 GMT
Its Forfar and Kincardine Lodge No 225.
We are planning a media blitz for this historic event. I think we can seat a little over a hundred in our lodge room, we want every seat filled. We are sending emails and fliers to every lodge in Florida.
The one good thing is it will be a closed installation,that's something that isnt done in my neck of the woods.
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 7, 2009 21:16:54 GMT
Hey, maybe you could fire off an email to Bro. Tim Bryce. He might find it interesting enough to put it on his radio show. He might even go. Which would be very cool ;D
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Post by Blackadder on Sept 9, 2009 17:22:55 GMT
I sent an email to Bro. Tim , I have had no reply as yet. But we would love to see him at the installation ;D
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Post by AndyF on Sept 11, 2009 7:15:59 GMT
The one good thing is it will be a closed installation,that's something that isnt done in my neck of the woods. Do you mind telling us how a public installation goes? In my jurisdiction, the installation of a Worshipful Master is treated almost like a fourth degree with unique secrets and knocks etc. I'm wondering how this would be conveyed in public or if what is taught in our installation is taught in the third degree in your jurisdiction? I should clarify that I have not yet been installed as a WM, but am familiar with the fact that the above takes place. I have no idea of the details of what goes on after the MMs are booted out of our installation ceremony .
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Post by Blackadder on Oct 10, 2009 23:08:47 GMT
Sorry for taking so long to reply, On open installation , is open to anyone who wants to attend, people could walk in off the street if they wanted to!
The Master of Ceremonies is usually a Past Master.
The incoming officers sit west of the alter.
Wives or Girl Friends can sit next to the officers seat in the lodge. The MC introduces ALL Past Masters, then all members of York Rite, Scottish Rite, Eastern Star, High Twelve, Shrine, Grotto,Rainbow Girls, Jobs Daughters, Tall Cedars,Amaranth and asked to stand in turn. But the best is something called the Yellow Dogs and when the MC asks Yellows dogs to rise, the stand up , bark and scratch there ear!!!!
When all that insanity is over, the Marshall installs the new WM, he is then told what his duties are as WM and is read his obligation, and he is led to the east by one of the Rainbow Girls.
This is done with all the new officers.
The new WM is presented with a new gavel by one of the rainbow Girls and she gives him a talk on how important the gavel is.
Two years ago when the WM was installed his wife stood by him and a woman from the Eastern Star sung "wind beneath my wings", my God was that cringworthy!
last year the WM Mother, gave some kinda ode to a sailor, then three other women from the Eastern Star, joined her for some kind Sailors Horn pipe, and finished it off with " Aye Aye captain , over to you" I didn't know if I should laugh or cry.
As you can see there is nothing about masonry, they are more interested in having some kind of Church type function.
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Post by AndyF on Oct 14, 2009 12:12:14 GMT
I'm gobsmacked. Forum policy on not criticising how other GLs do things prevents me from posting my initial reaction when I read this. I only hope that either your lodge is eventually able to conduct its masonry in a more fitting manner in the near future, or that you find one that does.
I don't mean to sound like I'm putting your lodge down, though. You have expressed feelings of dissappointment over this, and now having a better idea of the full extent of it, I'm trying to offer my sympathy and hope you get to experience the masonry you desire, one way or another.
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Post by Blackadder on Oct 14, 2009 17:30:31 GMT
Brother Andy,
Its not my lodge , that's the way all lodge work in Florida, its all about family , NOTHING about the meaning of degrees , rituals etc.
I was at a meeting a few weeks ago , its called Masters and Wardens on a Saturday morning, its very casual etc. Its really just about whats going on at different lodges in the area. there were two wife's who sat in on the meeting!!!!
The secretary at my lodge seems to think he runs the lodge , or should I say ,he thinks he runs it with his wife. He has promised Brothers who have not even been Master Masons for 8 months the JD & SD positions. I know for a fact it wont happen as I will be SD.
When you look at any information about the GL of Florida and its meetings and minutes.
You will see the officers name and its brackets next to his name is his wife's name. Because she is in the Eastern Star!!!!!!
Eastern Star has nothing to masonry .
I was told as were most of the newer Brother is that you CAN NOT be WM if you are not in the Eastern Star !!!!!!
Which is total Bollocks, but thats how the run things here is Florida.
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Post by Nosameerf on Oct 14, 2009 18:31:21 GMT
Two years ago when the WM was installed his wife stood by him and a woman from the Eastern Star sung "wind beneath my wings", my God was that cringworthy! last year the WM Mother, gave some kinda ode to a sailor, then three other women from the Eastern Star, joined her for some kind Sailors Horn pipe, and finished it off with " Aye Aye captain , over to you" I didn't know if I should laugh or cry. I would have keeled over then and there.
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Post by ruffashlar on Oct 16, 2009 15:29:56 GMT
Awfully strange goings-on, and no mistake The thing is, on the surface of it, I know there are lots of people over here who would LOVE it if their wives and families could join in with their Masonic life, instead of the cloak-and-dagger way that Scottish and (even more so) English Masonry are conducted. What's obviously happened, is that things have gone too far in the community & family direction. And I'm not saying that in a high-handed or superior way. How do I know it's gone too far? Because plenty of you guys in Florida really don't like the way it's run, and Masonry should be run for the benefit of its members. A group of you should get together and decide to hold a special one-off Masonic Installation, sort of like an Exhibition Degree. You'll pique curiosity, and when people see how much better a closed Installation is, you'll get more people on your side about getting this practice adopted. Best of luck
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