Tamrin
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Post by Tamrin on Oct 24, 2009 11:45:32 GMT
Please note, Bro. Brad has also posted this appeal elsewhere. On one site he clearly stated:
In other words, even if genuine, this appeal is contrary to the wishes of the Brother concerned.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 25, 2009 1:54:04 GMT
Please note, Bro. Brad has also posted this appeal elsewhere. On one site he clearly stated: In other words, even if genuine, this appeal is contrary to the wishes of the Brother concerned. I am sure that you have been on this Earth for a little while Peter. Being the situation the way it is sometimes people in need let their pride get in the way of self interests. I am not a problem oriented person, rather a solutions oriented one. I saw a close Brother and dear friend of mine in trouble so I took the initiative t help. It seems that in doing so I may be looked at as in error but in all honesty I would do it all again, I would do it for you too. I would appreciate that it not be implied here or elsewhere that I had some sort of nafarious motives. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I have done what I can to lend a hand to a Brother in need as we all should, each and everyone of us. Love and Light, Brad Cofield
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 25, 2009 8:42:09 GMT
Like Bro Brad I take the Obligation " to help a friend or Brother in time of need" to be of great importance. The trouble is that sometimes people do not want your help or they like to think that they don't.
Many years ago I was a Local Councillor. One of my co-workers had told me that she was having trouble paying the rent on her house (Social Housing) since her husband had walked out on her. I was her Councillor and took the matter up with the Housing Department who contacted her with a scheme for her to claim benefits and thus alleviate her difficulties. Rather than being grateful to me for this she was indignant! How dare I interfere in her affairs! My take on this was that as her Local Councillor it was my duty to help her out as I would have done for any other voter in my ward. It did however make me far more cautious on such matters, possibly to the detriment of those who do need help but, as Bro Brad says, are too proud to ask.
I salute Bro Brad for being The Good Samaritan (Luke, chapter 10, verses 25-37), and trying to practice what Freemasonry preaches rather than being an Apron wearing Levite and passing by on the other side.
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Post by lauderdale on Oct 25, 2009 16:38:51 GMT
Mr "Backside-Foremost". Bro Brad actually took some notice of what he promised to do many years ago at his Initiation. I have met too many Masons who have glibly listened to the words spoken to them by the RWM after "that peculiar moment" in the NE Corner of the Temple and forgotten them soon thereafter. I have also met those who lived those words and when I was having a very bad patch in 1992 they stepped forward to help me and I was not so stiff-necked or proud to refuse.
Quite possibly Brad should have asked first but did what he thought was right and accorded with the Tenets of Freemasonry.
Lots of people on various Masonic Fora slag off Bro Brad and yes, he has a rather abrasive manner. However here he tried to help a Brother in time of need and for that I salute him. I would rather have a Brad Cofield in the columns next to me than some clad in dark blue and gold braid or even wearing a chain but who have forgotten the Three Pillars on which the Order is Founded of which the second is Relief.
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Post by theplumbtruth on Oct 25, 2009 22:20:52 GMT
I believe that when one brother chooses to help another it is not for the rest of us to judge or determine if it was well founded. Plenty of good reasons have been pointed out already above.
I have more problem with when a Bro picks or chooses what part of their obligation to uphold. I know much has been said in other threads about cross membership in more than one Order and whether doing so is clandestine or not. I can understand a Bro finding perhaps a second or even third Masonic Order that better suits them than what they originally began with. I'm of the opinion that they should give their energies to the one best suited and resign from any other(s). In my obligation acknowledging something as clandestine is not a take-or-leave situation like helping a brother in need. When we choose to provide Relief to a brother in need, it is only within the length of our C...T... and at no harm to ourselves or families.
Clandestine is such a heavy word, but it's the intent that's important. If it were Christianity in question can you see a Methodist also attending a Catholic church regularly, or perhaps a Mormon also attending a Baptist service? (no offense intended to anyone, these are just examples that come to mind).
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 26, 2009 5:33:35 GMT
Mr "Backside-Foremost". Bro Brad actually took some notice of what he promised to do many years ago at his Initiation. I have met too many Masons who have glibly listened to the words spoken to them by the RWM after "that peculiar moment" in the NE Corner of the Temple and forgotten them soon thereafter. I have also met those who lived those words and when I was having a very bad patch in 1992 they stepped forward to help me and I was not so stiff-necked or proud to refuse. Quite possibly Brad should have asked first but did what he thought was right and accorded with the Tenets of Freemasonry. Lots of people on various Masonic Fora slag off Bro Brad and yes, he has a rather abrasive manner. However here he tried to help a Brother in time of need and for that I salute him. I would rather have a Brad Cofield in the columns next to me than some clad in dark blue and gold braid or even wearing a chain but who have forgotten the Three Pillars on which the Order is Founded of which the second is Relief. Thank you so much Bro.Steve, I would stand shoulder to shoulder with you anytime. You have always been a very kind and solid Brother to me. The world needs more just like you. The truth is, I could say a baby from a burning building and the Cabal would find it as further ammunition to hang me with. Water off a ducks back at this point. Love and Light,
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Post by vtmason on Oct 26, 2009 21:20:56 GMT
Brad, I know there are some who are willing to help. Can I get some contact info. If you can't post it i think you still might have my cell.
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 26, 2009 21:49:15 GMT
Brad, I know there are some who are willing to help. Can I get some contact info. If you can't post it i think you still might have my cell. Thank you Errol. PM sent. BTW: I no longer have your cell number. Love and Light, Brad
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Post by magusmasonica on Oct 26, 2009 21:54:31 GMT
I believe that when one brother chooses to help another it is not for the rest of us to judge or determine if it was well founded. Plenty of good reasons have been pointed out already above. I have more problem with when a Bro picks or chooses what part of their obligation to uphold. I know much has been said in other threads about cross membership in more than one Order and whether doing so is clandestine or not. I can understand a Bro finding perhaps a second or even third Masonic Order that better suits them than what they originally began with. I'm of the opinion that they should give their energies to the one best suited and resign from any other(s). In my obligation acknowledging something as clandestine is not a take-or-leave situation like helping a brother in need. When we choose to provide Relief to a brother in need, it is only within the length of our C...T... and at no harm to ourselves or families. Clandestine is such a heavy word, but it's the intent that's important. If it were Christianity in question can you see a Methodist also attending a Catholic church regularly, or perhaps a Mormon also attending a Baptist service? (no offense intended to anyone, these are just examples that come to mind). Brother, With the religious example if one finds spiritual fullfillment in attending different demoninational services is there really any harm in that? I have stated before that it is not up to be to dictate to others how they choose to seek and absorb light. IMHO a Masonic world is better than a profane one. If the seeker finds what they need to uild in the real world, and they build those skills amongst different guilds who are we to say that is a bad thing? There is a difference between upholding and obligation and being beholden to it. Love and Light,
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Post by theplumbtruth on Oct 26, 2009 22:19:54 GMT
Brother, I agree that there is no harm in finding fullfillment in attending different denominational services because hopefully a person can find something good to come out of each and every different one. What I was implying above was a more fundamentalist slant that a lot of people carry with their religious beliefs. You know the picture - MY God is better than your god. Perhaps a better example would be imagining crossover between Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions. Obviously people convert all the time, but I'm thinking of extreme fundamentalist situations where one wouldn't even consider it because of their personal convictions.
I know I've deviated quite extensively from the original post - so my apologies please! And now I'm going to contemplate your last line about 'upholding' vs being 'beholden'. That would be a good discussion for a new post!
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Post by maat on Oct 26, 2009 22:48:54 GMT
Why not start one TPT? I am really enjoying your posts.
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