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Post by sammy on Mar 6, 2011 16:43:42 GMT
Religious experience based from laws of energy and a thermodynamic enviroment. The following results are in no way conclusive and only pertain to thus far, for the sake of study. When entering into this its best to start simple, and that is to define oneself. Are we the mass we see before us? Or are we the memory of what that mass has done? Can you explain who you are with no memory of it? One isnt possible without the other, but wich is us in truth? The action and thought themselves are pulses of energy simply reforming the mass (I.E. muscle mass and memory. The energy that is scanned through various machines from our brain, is the echo of the that pulse. These waves are outside of ourselves incredibly more so then inside if compared the the whole process. We are completely surrounded by waves of energy of so many types, there is no hope of detecting them all. The rule of energy is it can never be created nor destroyed only change form or transfer. Comparing this to religion Is various but common in some areas. Ill break it down to two things for this description. The mind of light and the mind of shadow. Our energy would work like that of gravity in this feild pulling toward the side that connects to us best. Innevitably becomming who we are in unwavering truth. When you think of a light bulb you might have a few thoughts pop up. What makes this happen is the filament. A tiny wire of focused electricity creating friction in the metal (the metal doesnt flow like free electricity) heating up and turning white hot, thus creating the light. If enough energy is heading in the same direction, it will create "light". In return the light will cast a shadow when encountering a mass. The tricky part is retaining the body during this interaction. A filament like our body will get burned out. The body like the filament has done its "job" and the energy is going to do what it set out to do. If a body after life is attainable, in either mind its left up to our choices depending on wich way it flows. The body/existance would be created from the memory it had the most pull. Making a individual "home" based from that wich was considered to be "you". leaving the home closer or further away from where the lines of light are going. The lines are different but will all result at the same end (one of the two minds). The other common thing in most religions is "the battle" either in body(politics, society) or spiritualy. If these energy flows are in conflict it starts with where they interact (mass/our body and mind). We are inbetween the Earth and our energy. Our earliest discovery was good things are good and bad things are bad. Even in our own personal lives we know this truth. If we only have two choices of "minds" to choose from, wich do we want our home constructed from? This question takes a lifetime to answer.
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Post by nventr on Mar 9, 2011 5:37:07 GMT
I'm not sure I really followed the whole scientific argument, but the conflict of the divine energies is not required. If a person follows the correct path for their personality type, then the road to enlightenment will flow naturally over their lifetime. The conflict happens when the energy flow is disrupted, usually by an initiation or empowerment given incorrectly or given at the wrong time.
The ability to take the body with you into the next life is possible. The Buddhist tradition has recorded many people, some within the past 100 years where there are actual witnesses, who have simply disappeared upon death leaving only their hair, finger & toe nails, and a shimmering or sparkling rainbow. It is called the rainbow body. I'm sure you are aware of the Biblical ascensions of Jesus, Mother Mary, Elijah just to name a few.
For the body to ascend, it must be fully transfigured/enrobed in light/filled with Grace.
However, the path is not direct! It is a winding staircase. Intellectual types must go up before they can bring Grace down. Otherwise, you get into one of those energy battles within the soul. Like any war, they ain't pretty or fun or necessary and few people survive them.
The Mason's path is tried and true. The Ah Ha! moments will tell you what to dismantle, what to collect, and what to build your home from at the right time for you. The Great Architect is a master of logistics. He is alway punctual, never early and never late.
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Post by sammy on Mar 9, 2011 11:00:28 GMT
I'm not sure I really followed the whole scientific argument, but the conflict of the divine energies is not required. If a person follows the correct path for their personality type, then the road to enlightenment will flow naturally over their lifetime. The conflict happens when the energy flow is disrupted, usually by an initiation or empowerment given incorrectly or given at the wrong time. The ability to take the body with you into the next life is possible. The Buddhist tradition has recorded many people, some within the past 100 years where there are actual witnesses, who have simply disappeared upon death leaving only their hair, finger & toe nails, and a shimmering or sparkling rainbow. It is called the rainbow body. I'm sure you are aware of the Biblical ascensions of Jesus, Mother Mary, Elijah just to name a few. For the body to ascend, it must be fully transfigured/enrobed in light/filled with Grace. However, the path is not direct! It is a winding staircase. Intellectual types must go up before they can bring Grace down. Otherwise, you get into one of those energy battles within the soul. Like any war, they ain't pretty or fun or necessary and few people survive them. The Mason's path is tried and true. The Ah Ha! moments will tell you what to dismantle, what to collect, and what to build your home from at the right time for you. The Great Architect is a master of logistics. He is alway punctual, never early and never late. The conflict isnt required but exists, within us or out of us people do not "flow" as of now. The energy was disrupted and we are the result. The path isnt straight and there are many "lines" of light leading the way. Perhaps shadow lines are paths people used in life but dont have an eternal place. We have no way of knowing anything for sure, especialy wich path is best. However I do like what I see from masons.
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Post by nventr on Mar 9, 2011 17:56:49 GMT
I'm not so sure about the fact that disrupted energies landed us here in this plane of existence. That is a little to fatalistic for my taste. There are many who do feel that way. Reconnecting with the divine while here on earth is what masonry is meant to accomplish.
I'm more of a "Heaven is a place on earth," type. That is why I'm not a mason, but I am masonic supporter. I can still appreciate you and your path even though my path runs in the opposite direction.
I do believe we can figure out which of he two main paths is best for us. How that path unwinds is what is unknown and never the same twice.
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Post by maat on Mar 9, 2011 23:36:29 GMT
Reconnecting with the divine while here on earth is what masonry is meant to accomplish. Bringing heaven to earth ... squaring the circle ?
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Post by nventr on Mar 10, 2011 5:49:35 GMT
Yep! Exactly!
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 6:02:12 GMT
We do have a way of knowing if a particular path works. Does it achieve its desired ends? If so it can be differentiated from those that do not achieve those ends. To say otherwise would be agree that we have no way of making pasta.
Within the human mind is all that is necessary to understand Deity. These questions become more complex when idolatry is entered into the equation.
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Post by sammy on Mar 10, 2011 15:25:23 GMT
The path works on Earth, who are we to say it works in God's house? Its obvious some are more balanced then others but all require a sense, because they are in and of man and need observing. We all know not all people or masons are honorable.
I am a trained italian chef and let me tell ya, there is no set way to fix pasta. Everything can be manipulated, either for a better taste or selfish reasons we manipulate that wich exists around us. The question is, have you made it for yourself or for everyone? Will you take offense if someone doesnt like the flavor? In this respect, many are force fed.
I say were inbetween because we are not like that of a rock, or even a tree. We are not like that of pure energy, flying free and unrestricted through time and space. We have both inside of us though. We are as much one as we are the other, and somehow still having individuality within that field of who is who and what is what.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 17:01:20 GMT
Taking the analogy a bit far, but you do agree that there is a way to make pasta. Is Earth not "God's house?"
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Post by anubis on Mar 10, 2011 18:18:14 GMT
The path works on Earth, who are we to say it works in God's house? As above, so below.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 10, 2011 21:06:57 GMT
That is an interesting notion, where did you come with that?
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Post by nventr on Mar 11, 2011 4:39:56 GMT
I believe the answer is balance. If we are self-reflective and honest, we will know what we have within us.
First job is to strengthen what we have for the journey ahead. The next thing is to acquire what is weak or missing.
As for whether it works? The proof is in the pudding or the pasta.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2011 15:24:10 GMT
I believe the answer is balance. If we are self-reflective and honest, we will know what we have within us. First job is to strengthen what we have for the journey ahead. The next thing is to acquire what is weak or missing. As for whether it works? The proof is in the pudding or the pasta. You said it alot better then I did HAHA but its my sentiments exactly.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2011 15:27:09 GMT
That is an interesting notion, where did you come with that? One of my favorites too. This article is about the magical and religious movement stemming from the teachings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus. For other uses of the term "Hermetic", see Hermetic (disambiguation). Part of a series of articles on Hermeticism
Hermetic Religion Hermeticism
Mythology Hermes Trismegistus · Thoth · Poimandres
Hermetica Corpus Hermeticum · Kybalion
Three Parts of the Wisdom of the Whole Universe Alchemy · Astrology · Theurgy
Influence and Influences
Hermetic Movements Rosicrucianism
Orders Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn · Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor · Hermetic Brotherhood of Light
Topics in Hermetism Qabalah Occult and divinatory tarot Hermetists and Hermeticists John Dee . Aleister Crowley · Israel Regardie Thâbit ibn Qurra · Paracelsus Giordano Bruno · Samuel MacGregor Mathers · William Westcott Franz Bardon This box: view · talk · edit Hermeticism or the Western Hermetic Tradition is a set of philosophical and religious beliefs[1] or gnosis based primarily upon the Hellenistic Egyptian pseudepigraphical writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus who is the representation of the conflation of the Egyptian god Thoth with the Greek Hermes. These beliefs have heavily influenced the Western Esoteric Tradition and were considered to be of great importance during the Renaissance.
This is Hermes displaying the "as above, so below". "As Above, So Below"
These words circulate throughout occult and magical circles, and they come from Hermetic texts. The concept was first laid out in The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, in the words "That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above, corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracles of the One Thing".[18]
In accordance with the various levels of reality: physical, mental, and spiritual, this relates that what happens on any level happens on every other. This is however more often used in the sense of the microcosm and the macrocosm. The microcosm is oneself, and the macrocosm is the universe. The macrocosm is as the microcosm, and vice versa; within each lies the other, and through understanding one (usually the microcosm) you can understand the other
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2011 15:49:24 GMT
Taking the analogy a bit far, but you do agree that there is a way to make pasta. Is Earth not "God's house?" Perhaps I am but many philosophies have been based around cooking or food, and I thought it fit well. Ok so lets make some pasta. There is over 100 different shapes of egg noodle pasta (excluding ravioli). There is also rice noodles, buckwheat, corn, and many other crazy types out there. Even the simple shape of the pasta can effect the experience. Now once a pasta has been chosen (wich only reffers to the type of noodle), we have to choose a sauce, soup, or bake (dont go thinking I havnt tried BBQ). Dont forget EVERYONE will be sampling this dish... I think you can see where im going with this. The pasta in wich you referr, is only the typical spaghetti with tomato sauce. This was the early italian way of adapting to their surroundings during hard times throughout history. They lived on cliff tops to avoid war and conflict, so food was scarce. Tomatoes, chickens and goats were easy enough though, and all you need for a basic pasta (plus a grain). In similair ways the asians adapted to rice base instead of grain and eggs. They also leaned more toward a soup style in certain areas, since the brothe can feed more mouths.
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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2011 16:07:38 GMT
This is a recent translation of the Emerald tablet. [It is] true, without error, certain and most true, That which is below is as that which is above, and that which is above is as that which is below, to perform the miracles of the one thing. And as all things were from the one, by means of the meditation of the one, thus all things were born from the one, by means of adaptation. Its father is the Sun, its mother is the Moon, the Wind carried it in its belly, its nurse is the earth. The father of the whole world [or "of all of the initiates"?] is here. Its power is whole if it has been turned into earth. You will separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the dense, sweetly, with great skill. It ascends from earth into heaven and again it descends to the earth, and receives the power of higher and of lower things. Thus you will have the Glory of the whole world. Therefore will all obscurity flee from you. Of all strength this is true strength, because it will conquer all that is subtle, and penetrate all that is solid. Thus was the world created. From this were wonderful adaptations, of which this is the means. Therefore am I named Thrice-Great Hermes, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. It is finished, what I have said about the working of the Sun.
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Post by anubis on Mar 11, 2011 16:52:41 GMT
Perhaps I am but many philosophies have been based around cooking or food, and I thought it fit well. How would a philosophy based around food have a proper epistemology? You seem to be confusing opinion with philosophy. Philosophy is the science that studies the fundamental aspects of the nature of existence. The task of philosophy is to provide man with a comprehensive view of life. This view serves as a base, a frame of reference, for all his actions, mental or physical, psychological or existential. This view tells him the nature of the universe with which he has to deal (metaphysics); the means by which he is to deal with it, i.e., the means of acquiring knowledge (epistemology); the standards by which he is to choose his goals and values, in regard to his own life and character (ethics)—and in regard to society (politics); the means of concretizing this view is given to him by esthetics.
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Post by rembrandt on Mar 12, 2011 20:34:02 GMT
That is just about it.
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Post by sammy on Mar 13, 2011 15:19:40 GMT
Perhaps I am but many philosophies have been based around cooking or food, and I thought it fit well. How would a philosophy based around food have a proper epistemology? You seem to be confusing opinion with philosophy. Philosophy is the science that studies the fundamental aspects of the nature of existence. The task of philosophy is to provide man with a comprehensive view of life. This view serves as a base, a frame of reference, for all his actions, mental or physical, psychological or existential. This view tells him the nature of the universe with which he has to deal (metaphysics); the means by which he is to deal with it, i.e., the means of acquiring knowledge (epistemology); the standards by which he is to choose his goals and values, in regard to his own life and character (ethics)—and in regard to society (politics); the means of concretizing this view is given to him by esthetics. I didnt say I was giving a philosophy, If you notice I was giving ground as to why Im even using the metaphor (wich is what it was). The same can be said for sewing, but he didnt say "make a shirt" and im no tailor. I used what I had to explain the outragously huge amount of options in "God's house", and was saying who are we to say anything in his place? If you cant even talk about the veriety of pasta compared to the veriety of options in life, how am I to beleive you could ever fathom how a human would exist in a place described as heaven is? Ive seen symbols that are close to describing what I see, but no words have been found to come close. The reason why is because its mine alone, we all find our own way "home". I think there are no words for it since its individual. Its more of a fealing like "complete", and then we spend the rest of our lives trying to explain what that meant. If you even add salt in a "completeness" its now out of balance, wich leaves subtraction for counter. It always seems so simple to explain until the words actualy start to come out.
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Post by sammy on Mar 14, 2011 12:44:08 GMT
In the end your gonna end up with pasta.... no matter what. The real question is... Did you enjoy it?
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