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Post by fractal3rd on Aug 18, 2011 14:23:01 GMT
Hi all, just wanted to get an esoteric understanidng of "As above so Below, as Within so Without"
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2011 18:48:42 GMT
Greetings, fractal3rd board, Hi all, just wanted to get an esoteric understanidng of "As above so Below, as Within so Without" The phrase is probably here to stay and not likely to change. It is infact an incorrect translation from Greek into English via its source from ancient Egypt into the Greek language. The true meaning comes from two Egyptian hieroglyphics of the Lion i.e., the front part of the Lion is the 'above' and the 'back' part of the Lion = the 'below'. The true meaning is 'The joining of the 'above' with the 'below' = the completed Lion. The term 'As above so below' refers to the micro and the macro cosmic and its laws etc.
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Post by maat on Aug 19, 2011 1:53:26 GMT
Hi all, just wanted to get an esoteric understanidng of "As above so Below, as Within so Without" As above, so below ... whatever you see above is true of below. Easy example is comparing the solar system with the atom. (Oddity... They have discovered that walnuts enhance brain function, and walnuts look like mini brains ) As Within so Without ... if you think the world is full of ignorant idiots, there a fair chance you might be one yourself.
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Post by maat on Aug 19, 2011 1:59:12 GMT
Masonry in a nutshell really... 0) The Secret Works of CHIRAM ONE in essence, but three in aspect. 1) It is true, no lie, certain and to be depended upon, 2) the superior agrees with the inferior, and the inferior agrees with the superior, to effect that one truly wonderful work. 3) As all things owe their existence to the will of the only one, so all things owe their origin to the one only thing, the most hidden by the arrangement of the only God. 4) The father of that one only thing is the sun its mother is the moon, 5) the wind carries it in its belly; but its nourse is a spirituous earth. 6) That one only thing is the father of all things in the Universe. 6a) Its power is perfect, 7) after it has been united with a spirituous earth. 7a) Separate that spirituous earth from the dense or crude by means of a gentle heat, with much attention. 8) In great measure it ascends from the earth up to heaven, and descends again, newborn, on the earth, and the superior and the inferior are increased in power. 9) By this wilt thou partake of the honours of the whole world. And Darkness will fly from thee. 10) This is the strength of all powers. With this thou wilt be able to overcome all things and transmute all what is fine and what is coarse. 11a) In this manner the world was created; 12) the arrangements to follow this road are hidden. 13) For this reason I am called Chiram Telat Mechasot, one in essence, but three in aspect. In this trinity is hidden the wisdom of the whole world. 14) It is ended now, what I have said concerning the effects of the sun. Finish of the Tabula Smaragdina.
www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm
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Post by billmcelligott on Aug 19, 2011 10:45:21 GMT
As Within so Without ... if you think the world is full of ignorant idiots, there a fair chance you might be one yourself. Dam she's good, if you say the world is full of idiots then your an idiot. If you say the world is not full of idiots, you are obviously an idiot. Either way your an idiot.
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Post by nventr on Aug 20, 2011 3:56:22 GMT
The marriage analogy comes to mind.
Within the psyche there are masculine qualities and there are feminine qualities. Most people favor one side or the other. So to become whole, it is necessary to "marry" or merge these two sets of qualities.
In the outer world, men and women physically marry. These two people merge and blend in many ways.
Wedding ceremonies today have the symbolism of the psyche imbedded. Bride wears white, the Groom wears black. (or red when you are a royal prince) The lifting of the veil. The groom kissing the bride. The bride walking up the isle to meet her groom.
Sid's Lion joins the above and the below. The wedding merges the left and the right.
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Post by maat on Aug 23, 2011 0:24:17 GMT
As Within so Without ... if you think the world is full of ignorant idiots, there a fair chance you might be one yourself. Dam she's good, if you say the world is full of idiots then your an idiot. If you say the world is not full of idiots, you are obviously an idiot. Either way your an idiot. ..perhaps the world is full of God's sons and daughters, our Brn, some younger and some older despite their physical age. Would a university graduate ridicule a playschool kid for his lack of knowledge, expertise or decision making faculties? Same with Souls. Young souls, old souls, slow learner souls. Sooner or later they will all become 'Pillars of the Temple' and not have to go out to Earth school again - everyone one will have had their due. Mark masonry ? Rose Croix ? Encampment ? They all tell the same story from different vantage points.
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Post by sid on Aug 23, 2011 8:20:32 GMT
The marriage analogy comes to mind. Within the psyche there are masculine qualities and there are feminine qualities. Most people favor one side or the other. So to become whole, it is necessary to "marry" or merge these two sets of qualities. In the outer world, men and women physically marry. These two people merge and blend in many ways. Wedding ceremonies today have the symbolism of the psyche imbedded. Bride wears white, the Groom wears black. (or red when you are a royal prince) The lifting of the veil. The groom kissing the bride. The bride walking up the isle to meet her groom. Sid's Lion joins the above and the below. The wedding merges the left and the right. The front of a lion is not the same as the back part. The AGENS (vertical line) and the PATENS (horizontal line) is the 'CROSS' and the wedding of both is the 'opening' of the stone.
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Post by nventr on Aug 23, 2011 15:11:53 GMT
Another form of wedding. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by stewvan on Aug 23, 2011 17:14:06 GMT
I know that you will find reference, and discussion of this in the Kybalion, by the three initiates
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Post by bradwatsonmiami on Apr 11, 2012 17:33:11 GMT
Greetings, fractal3rd board, Hi all, just wanted to get an esoteric understanidng of "As above so Below, as Within so Without" The phrase is probably here to stay and not likely to change. It is infact an incorrect translation from Greek into English via its source from ancient Egypt into the Greek language. The true meaning comes from two Egyptian hieroglyphics of the Lion i.e., the front part of the Lion is the 'above' and the 'back' part of the Lion = the 'below'. The true meaning is 'The joining of the 'above' with the 'below' = the completed Lion. The term 'As above so below' refers to the micro and the macro cosmic and its laws etc. Sid,
I've never heard that "Lion" explanation. Have you got any sources for that?
- Brad
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