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Post by brothernicholas on Nov 12, 2011 18:54:34 GMT
I have a friend who is OTO, and told me to join. Should I?
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Post by brothernicholas on Nov 13, 2011 16:38:42 GMT
Well, I decided: I will be initiated in a week. I hope that my brothers there will be equal to my brothers here.
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Post by brothernicholas on Nov 13, 2011 16:48:32 GMT
OK, now without jokes. I am already a P.I. in OTO. I simply wanted to see if freemasonry aproves it.
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Post by brothernicholas on Nov 13, 2011 19:56:26 GMT
Well, in my OTO lodge all are good people. (And know I am neither a pornographer, abuser, serial killer or neo-nazi). May I ask your lodge's location?
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 13, 2011 20:25:40 GMT
At my initiation I was taught to be cautious...
4 9 2 3 5 7 8 1 6
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 13, 2011 20:28:52 GMT
Nicholas
To create a dishonest post to find out if Freemasonry approves it is on the one hand plain dumb and totally without principle.
A good ambassodor for your Order? I do not think so.
If you are a PI in OTO then why would you need to ask the opinion of a Masonic Forum? The fact is you should know that Freemasonry considers The OTO totally clandestine.
This Forum however welcomes members of all types of Freemasonry, and whilst OTO is not Freemasonry it is an Initiatic society.
Please post within the rules of The Forum and we will welcome you.
Continue to post untruths and we will ban you simple as that
Welcome to MFoL
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 13, 2011 20:37:30 GMT
I will admit I was waiting to see how the forum would respond. I was completely surprised and impressed with anubis's restrained and classy response to the query. However I agree: the "truth was not in your turban" with that post!
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Post by trer on Nov 13, 2011 20:47:12 GMT
Waite a minute! I am a freemason too! What did you believe middlepillar? If I was only an OTO would I go in a masonic forum to discuss it? For what purpose? It simply HAPPENED my first post in that forum to be this.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 13, 2011 21:29:30 GMT
You would be in breach of UGLE rules if you were in the UK to be a member of a Lodge under UGLE and also be in OTO. So it is completely understandable to find you are not being truthful, if you were in the UK, and to find you as being in both.
It is reasonable then , if you are being truthful to assume you are not in the UK.
To receive a reasoned response on this forum all you have to be is truthful.
We get posters sometimes that are not or who wish to be mischeivious but they do not last long.
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 13, 2011 22:45:13 GMT
Waite a minute! I am a freemason too! What did you believe middlepillar? If I was only an OTO would I go in a masonic forum to discuss it? For what purpose? It simply HAPPENED my first post in that forum to be this. I had no prior belief. And I personally do not mind what or who you are. All I want is you to be honest. We have many members of unrecognised (Unrecognised to my own UGLE) Lodges, we welcome them all. As a member of OTO and proud of it, why did you feel it neccesary to lie? It is unfortunate that you have set your stall out as you did. As a moderator I am letting you know that you are welcome here, but we do not accept members who deliberately lie to gain information, especially when it is totally unneccesary. If you wanted to know how Freemasonry felt about OTO why not just ask? The beauty of this Forum is you should get a variety of answers from different GL's. Please dont try to justify your actions, you have done what you have done, So the forum is now yours, ask with the right intention you may be pleasanly surprised.
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Post by hrafn9 on Nov 19, 2011 21:05:26 GMT
hi, I agree this is a strange way to get information.
In NSW I don't think it is an impediment to be an OTO member and a Mason. I have met at least one OTO member in the Craft, and have heard of the 'Book of the Law' as a VSL.
I'm not an OTO member, but have been to several of their lectures years ago and (from memory) there was no mention of Masonry.
I'm more curious if there is an actual list of proscribed organisations under UGLE, reading around this board I notice some saying AMORC is proscribed as well. As far as I know OTO is (now) not Masonic and AMORC never was, so curious if there is a list. As far as I know there's no such list in NSW, although I do know Co-Masonry is frowned on.
best, Leon
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 19, 2011 22:12:09 GMT
I understand that at one time some OTO Lodges considered MMs "Minervals" and thus when they joined OTO they could skip the ritual for the 0 degree and could go straight to the 1st Degree.
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Post by matt on Nov 20, 2011 4:09:36 GMT
I know quite a few members of the OTO who are also freemasons from regular, recognized jurisdictions all throughout the US. Most of them are open about their membership and are under no threat of being suspended or expelled because of their affiliation with the OTO.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 21, 2011 21:31:22 GMT
Funny, I would swear I made a post to this thread earlier today, and it was on-topic and everything! It would be interesting to be able to see the ORIGINAL text of the OTO rituals BEFORE Crowley got a hold of them...Liber Al vel Legis is certainly worth taking a look at, as well as the Introductory essays on the Aeon of the Child that Crowley wrote; they are profoundly and startlingly prophetic!
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 25, 2011 5:42:07 GMT
It reaaly is true that we are living in the Aeon of the Child; I was reading an article the other day where the psychologists are now in agreement that "adolescence" is now considered to be the period between ten and THIRTY.... We now have articles on "tweenysomethings"; women who , though nominally adults, prefer to act like they are still in high school. And men are not exempt from the phenomenon: We have all seen 28-year olds whose priorities in life still includes his skateboard. Yet, ironically enough, there are more old people around than ever!
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 26, 2011 23:42:03 GMT
Some of the statements Crowley makes in his Intro to Liber Al are eerily relevant to this day:
"...Consider the popularity of the cinema, the wireless (read 'the media/the Internet), the footbal pools (read gambling) and guessing competitions (read "reality shows") , all devices for soothing fractious infants; no seed of purpose in them.
Consider sport, the babyish enthusiasms and rages which it excites; whole nations disturbed by disputes between boys..(nothing much has changed, has it?)
Consider war, the atrocities which occur daily and leave us unmoved and hardly worried... (I don't know exactly when this intro was written but I believe it was during WW1)
We are children...."
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