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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 9, 2012 22:59:47 GMT
Thought this might stimulate some conversation. ---------------- A radical change to the French Masonic landscape A close reading of Grand Master Alain Juillet’s speech at the GL-AMF consecration on April 28th, the joint communiqué by the 5 European Grand Lodges withdrawing Recognition of the GLNF and the positive reply from the GLdF to the 5 Grand Lodges set the scene for a radical change to the French Masonic landscape. It is unlikely that the 5 Grand Lodges made their declaration without having consulted the UGLE. It now appears that three French Obediences (Grande Loge de France, Grande Loge Traditionnelle Symbolique Opéra and Loge Nationale Française) have been discussing the creation of a federation with a title something like "French Traditional Masonic Federation" (FMFT) for over a year now. This with a view to obtaining international Recognition. Obviously at that level, numbers count. The three combined add up to approximately 38000 Brethren. The phenomenal success of the GL-AMF numbers (more than 8500 in just 10 weeks) and the continued strife within the GLNF can only help the federation concept. The GL-AMF will number something like 10000 by the end of July. Alain Juillet has hailed the move by the other three Obediences as a positive step in the right direction. A 48000 strong body of Regular French Freemasons will make the international masonic scene sit up and take notice, not the least of which are the three “Home” Grand Lodges of England, Ireland and Scotland, due to hold their annual tripartite meeting in a few days time. They can hardly avoid meeting without making reference to the GLNF situation and this bold move of entente by four Regular French Obediences. Perhaps the term “French bordel” will soon be a thing of the past !!! lmlenglish.over-blog.com/article-a-radical-change-to-the-french-masonic-landscape-107933492.htmlmore can be visited from this link
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Post by irishmason on Jul 10, 2012 21:26:53 GMT
Your derogative and insulting remark Bordel shows what kind of Mason you are, the declaration of Basel is a declaration of bankruptcy for so called regular masonry and does not reflect the deterioration of f.e. the GL of British Freemasons in Germany which is labelled with worse terms by their own members. If an organisation with noble words such as tolerance and brotherhood is since years in war with so called irregular masons, which are treated by so called brethren like you like second class masons, not to say second class human beings, the complete system must be in a bad state. Watch your own organisations and do not dare to call other a brothel. Shame on you, you do not deserve the title Freemason
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 11, 2012 0:39:44 GMT
Now if you take the time to remove that massive chip on your shoulder and also take the time to visit the link I posted you would see that the above comment is not my work, it is as is my usual practice to save you 'the reader' the trouble of visiting that link in order to get an idea of what it is about. They can then if interested visit the site and read what ever else the blogger wants to say.
My Masonic credentials have been on view for many years and I will put them up aside of yours any day and week you would care to name.
Maybe you could entertain the possibility that others may just be in the business of bringing you the news or information from other parts of the world. And it is certainly not Masonic to shoot the messenger. It is not Masonic to jump to conclusions before making some effort to understand what has been posted. It is not masonic to insult another Mason after have a quick view of one post.
There is no War, there is no persecution, there is no campaign against anyone. There is just 'other Masons' who like you have the right to an opinion whether you like it or not.
Now just like that blogger you have the right to your opinion, and you have the right to insult me if you wish. Above all you have the right to make an ass of yourself by not understanding that you should go take a look at the link provided.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 11, 2012 2:52:41 GMT
Having said the above, I have received a report from an independant source that this article is not accurate and needs tobe taken with reference to other information.
However the reason for the post was to stimulate some conversation.
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Post by middlepillar on Jul 11, 2012 20:52:03 GMT
Brother Irishmason
I believe you owe Bill an apology. I dont really care about any rights, I do care about you insulting a man who has spent his last 20 years creating places where Masons can discuss things among themselves and with others. It is you who should be ashamed. You should of at least taken the time to understand the source of his post and have read his first line to know it was to stimulate conversation.
I dont like the tone of your post at all, and I expect an apology
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Post by rembrandt on Jul 12, 2012 22:37:00 GMT
Irishmason, you and I have corresponded well in the past and I know you are a better man and Mason than came across in your message. You do owe Brother Bill an apology and you owe yourself a chance to clarify your statement because I doubt you meant it to be as harsh as it sounded.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 13, 2012 21:53:31 GMT
Alain Juillet’s speech of April 28th Alain Juillet’s first speech as newly installed Grand Master of the Grande Loge Maçonnique Française on April 28th in Tours drew a standing ovation from the more than 1500 brethren assembled for the historic occasion. With his authorisation LML in English reproduces it for you translated into English. Brethren, When I see so many of us assembled here today for the creation of the Alliance, I have faith in our future. Despite the menaces, pressure and lies, you had the courage to stand up and reply to the historic call of Universal Freemasonry. You had the courage to come because you refused to continue to accept the wayward route of a ship that was off course and had lost its destination. You were the first. You are the founders. We are the founders – and soon we will be joined by those Brethren who will have lost their last illusions. More at lmlenglish.over-blog.com/article-alain-juillet-s-speech-of-april-28th-104636607.html
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 16, 2012 9:59:12 GMT
To get some more expanded opinion I have translated the page from another Blog. blogs.lexpress.fr/lumiere-franc-macon/tag/grande-loge-traditionnelle-symbolique-opera/Disruption of the PMF (Landscape Masonic French)? July 8, 2012 0:06 | by Francois Koch Since the Basel Declaration of five Grand Lodges in Europe (June 10) and the positive response of the Grand Lodge of France (GLDF) Convent in (June 15), a shock wave is generated, amplified by the setbacks of the French National Grand Lodge (GLNF). We imagined a long negotiation between the European and GL 5 GLDF only, and in fact there are several denominations French who hope to benefit from the endless crisis of GLNF for recognition of the United Grand Lodge of England (Glua ), the equivalent of the Vatican for Catholics. As revealed by the Forget-Me Savoy Dauphine, a French Federation of Masonic Tradition (FMFT) would be in gestation, probably for about a year. The future partners would, says the blog, the GLDF (34,000 brothers) and the Grand Lodge Symbolic Traditional Opera (4000 brothers) (1). And more recently the GL-MFA (8500 brothers), composed of dissidents from the GLNF. Interviewed on July 7, Alain Juillet, the Grand Master of the GL-MFA confirms the existence of preparatory discussions for the establishment of such a Federation having the vocation to be adoubée by London. "I'm sure it will lead, even if I do not know when. I have this conviction, because I do not think the five European Grand Lodges have been able to launch such an initiative without a green light from the Glua. If this project goes to the end of Federation, the "Kingdom" in Masonic France will be upset. " We feel the beginnings of a future quake. In a very unusual, the Grand Orient de France (GODF) issued a press release on GLDF, suggesting that the first obedience French (50 000 siblings) would fear the current reshaping. GLNF crisis, which was equipped with an insolent increase its numbers until 2009, the GODF rejoiced, for he was afraid to toast the first place on the pudium. GLNF can no longer claim it before long. However, the future FMFT, if she saw the day, would soon be threatening (now almost 47,000 brothers, the bar of 50,000 brothers could quickly be exceeded). [ NB. Not my words copied from blog of L'EXPRESS ]
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Harmony
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Post by Harmony on Jul 18, 2012 9:01:02 GMT
Grand Lodge of Scotland have now withdrawn (rather than suspended) recogntion of the GLNF
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Post by reginahoward on Aug 22, 2012 8:47:05 GMT
Nice one. Thanks for the discussion.
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