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Post by Blackadder on May 20, 2007 20:06:48 GMT
I am the current Jnr. Steward ,the Jnr. Warden has left his office. I thought it was normal that all the officers moved up a station at the next elections,I believe thats the normal procedure and we will have a pro tem Jnr. Warden until the elections,and he would be a Past Master. The other evening when the Jnr.Warden left ,the Brother who will be Worshipful Master next year was canvasing a fellow Brother to step right into the Jnr. Wardens chair.The Brother who he wants to step in is one of the instructors and he instructs very well but he has never been to a regular lodge meeting in over five years and know no floor work at all. The WM in waiting says he wants the Jnr.Deacon to move to Snr. Deacon next year and the "new brother" to pass everyone and go to the South. He says the Brother who is getting by-passed should stay and do a full year as Snr. Deacon,I think its all smoke and mirrors to get one of his mates in line. I know the Jnr. Deacon will agree as he is pretty timid. I think the whole thing stinks and its totally un-Masonic. I think its a slap in the face for the Jnr. Deacon, Snr. Steward and myself. I would love to hear everyone opinions on this situation. My own view is that the next years WM does not want any of the younger Brothers advancing.I know for a fact the older Brothers are not happy at all the new Brothers coming through,as they don't get things there own way. Thanks in advance
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Post by giovanni on May 20, 2007 21:20:01 GMT
So, what do you think to do?
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Post by edmund on May 20, 2007 21:59:14 GMT
I THINK IT SMELLS OF A CONSPIRACY ! IT SMELLS I TELL YOU!
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Post by edmund on May 20, 2007 22:01:35 GMT
AND BY THE BY...HOW DO I POST MY PHOTO LIKE BLACKADDER DID. (HE'S VERY HANDSOME!)
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Post by giovanni on May 20, 2007 22:03:39 GMT
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Post by Blackadder on May 20, 2007 23:36:26 GMT
giovanni & Edmund , to be honest I wouldn't call it a conspiracy because I don't think the WM in waiting and his side kick the Snr. Deacon have the brains to hatch such a scheme and I doubt if they actually know what conspiracy means.I think the WM to be is just trying to flex his muscles and bring in a few yes men.In fact they are called Bush & Cheney,you can work that out for yourself!. I just made a few phone calls and one of the senior Brothers is going to have a word about this whole thing to a very well respected Past Master who is going to be one of the head honchos at Grand Lodge next year.
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Post by maat on May 21, 2007 0:42:08 GMT
Hi Blackadder
I can understand your concern and disappointment. However, there is another way of looking at this situation.
Masonry teaches the lesson and then like all good schools, it gives you the exam. Your exam here is in patience, faithfulness to obligations, clarification to yourself that it is not honours and privileges you are seeking. Other Brn in your Lodge sit the same exams, some pass, some clearly were not paying attention to the lessons.
It is encouraging that elder Brn are still maintaining an interest in the integrity of the Lodge.
Whatever the outcome, keep your eyes on the lessons and yourself - good qualities are noticed by your companions and it is often that case that the ideal student becomes the ideal teacher, without even knowing it.
Maat
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Post by keith on May 21, 2007 1:36:56 GMT
Dear oh dear! Black print on a royal blue background is pretty illegible. Could we have a better contrast please. I've mentioned this before and pointed out that it is easier to read words when the contrast is great and reversed from the present set up. White on blue isn't too bad although it gives me a headache, Black print on a white background is much more user friendly. I wish you'd study design and publishing a bit more Staff
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Post by penfold on May 21, 2007 6:43:06 GMT
Thank you Keith, but white on blue it will stay as it was the predominent choice of all members at the time the decision was made - can you stick to the topic in hand please?
Blackadder - it is the perogative of the WM to select his officers for the year - and that really is the end of the matter. No matter hwo one feels it shoudl be Brother Fred's turn to sit in a particular office it is the WM who appoints his officers for the year, and they serve him.
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Post by penfold on May 21, 2007 7:39:42 GMT
i should have said, thats the theory.....
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Post by Blackadder on May 21, 2007 12:40:52 GMT
I was informed today that the WM does not pick Senior or Junior Wardens,they are elected.The WM appoints the Senior Steward,Junior Steward,Junior Deacon,Chaplain and can appoint the Senior Deacon if the elections are held late.
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Post by JulesTheBit on May 21, 2007 19:16:06 GMT
Thank you Keith, but white on blue it will stay as it was the predominent choice of all members at the time the decision was made - can you stick to the topic in hand please? Blackadder - it is the perogative of the WM to select his officers for the year - and that really is the end of the matter. No matter hwo one feels it shoudl be Brother Fred's turn to sit in a particular office it is the WM who appoints his officers for the year, and they serve him. Penfold That's true, but officers will have made an investment in their progression and will want to have some idea of what roles they will fill in the future. Preparing for a good year as WM requires some degree of certainty as to when that year might be. A WM who replaces the entire officer line with a new set of officers is quite entitled to do that according to the Constitution, but is perhaps ill-advised and asking for trouble. S&F, Jules
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Post by wayseer on May 22, 2007 2:35:53 GMT
Bro. Jules is correct as far as I'm aware - It's up to the WM and/or the WM elect to work out who will be doing what for the ensuring term. My understanding of such matters is that all this worked out in advance of the 'elections'. The WM can replace all officers in his Lodge. I could understand the uproar if such were to happen but that the power of the WM and we have obligated ourselves to him.
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Post by therondunn on May 22, 2007 12:35:47 GMT
Of course, if the WM is showing poor judgement NOW, before he is elected to the Oriental chair, this might be a clue to the brethren they might want to elect someone else?
However, this presupposes that all the facts are in hand. Perhaps the SD doesn't WANT to advance. In one lodge I attend, we have had the same brother as SD for... four years now...
Just a thought... not everything is as it seems when you overhear a conversation.
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Post by Harmony on May 22, 2007 13:52:47 GMT
Blackadder - it is the perogative of the WM to select his officers for the year - and that really is the end of the matter. No matter hwo one feels it shoudl be Brother Fred's turn to sit in a particular office it is the WM who appoints his officers for the year, and they serve him. Penfold That's true, but officers will have made an investment in their progression and will want to have some idea of what roles they will fill in the future. Preparing for a good year as WM requires some degree of certainty as to when that year might be. S&F, Jules One thing I would say is that this might well be true for UGLE. It is not true in Scotland - all offices are elected. It may well be the same in Florida.
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Post by Blackadder on May 22, 2007 17:55:06 GMT
All officers with the exception of the JD, SS & JS and elected even the WM is elected. The WM elect will be told tonight that he has no right to discuss what is going to happen next year regarding officers etc. He will also be told that his proposed move to bring in his "friend" as JW is a total non-starter,no matter how much smoke and mirrors and spin doctoring he uses.
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Post by maat on May 22, 2007 22:53:31 GMT
So you have nothing to worry about. Great.
(Everyone errs, and it is hard to take correction, hope someone in your lodge will help the man back up again)
Maat
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Post by therondunn on May 23, 2007 3:31:21 GMT
Ah, see in my lodge, the outgoing master selects the next years:
Senior and Junior Deacon, Senior and Junior Steward, Tyler, and Chaplain. The other officers, Master, Senior and Junior Warden, Treasurer and Secretary are elected. The outgoing master usually confers with the Master elect, and in a progressive line, that is usually the Senior Warden even before the election, on who to put where and follows his wishes.
Also, ANY man can stand for election to any chair, if nominated, regardless of "progressive" chairs. I have heard of several lodges where the Senior Warden lost the bubble in his year and convinced the brethren he would NOT make a good master, and somone else was nominated to stand against him for election. Not often, but it happens.
I was simply suggesting that a modicum of brotherly love might have been applied in this situation and that he may not have been as totally out of line as was seemingly suggested.
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Post by jmd on May 23, 2007 3:56:50 GMT
Obviously varies from constitution to constitution, where only the Master, Tyler and Treasurer are here elected, the others are appointed by the Master elect for his term of office.
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