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Post by giovanni on Jul 1, 2005 5:09:14 GMT
Great post Giovanni, thank you. May I have permission to share it with the Brn at an upcoming St John in Winter ceremony we are doing. It never fails to amaze me that at the heart of all belief systems the stories/teachings are the same. Maat You are at full liberty to share it with whomsoever you wish. I am not the owner of the Tradition, I am just an humble seeker! |
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Post by sid on Jul 1, 2005 13:41:19 GMT
See additional comments below: Greetings Bro. Giovanni, Interesting post. In the Hindu tradition, the Tropic of Cancer corresponds to the deva-yana (the gods’ door) and is situated at northeast; the Tropic of Capricorn to the pitri-yana (the fathers’ door) and is situated to southwest. This may be considered as contradiction, since in winter the sun appears to be at its lowest point. The contradiction, however, is just apparent, because the ascending phase of the sun in the celestial order is exactly the opposite in the earthly one, as marked by the seasons. According to the general laws of analogy, these points are opposite to each other: as above so below… or, in Christian terms, the least shall be the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven. St. John Baptist was born in summer and is so associated to the summer solstice: “He must increase but I must decrease” (St. John 3, 30), where “he” means Jesus, who will be born in winter, in coincidence with the winter solstice. Here it is necessary to think over an important circumstance. From pitri-yana exit men that have not yet gained the eternal freedom, whilst from deva-yana exit those who need no more any reincarnation. There is no further return. Unless.. voluntarily! This means that Jesus is an “avatar”, a manifestation of the GAOTU, who comes back in this world to give aid and relief to those men who have ears to hear. The actual birth date of Jesus was on the 7th of March 7 B.C. and was not only recorded (The Star) in the oldest writings of the Chaldiens but has long since been proven by Science today (Astronomy), and even Kepler knew this date but he was regarded as a 'Mystic', with 'Mystical' views. The importance of this date has to do with the calculations of the period and Chiliastic beliefs regarding the return of Christ and the 'ages' of the Church. Regarding Astrologie: Astrologie was originally known as 'earth astrologie' where the Jacob's staff or rod was used to measure things of the earth by the use of the stars vis á vis Fludd & Dee etc., which was also of such importance to navigation as well i.e., the importance of 'time' and the measurement of it to perfectly calculate ones position. (in the words of a layman) In an early drawing of Masonic heraldry there is a shield with a square on it that has been quartered by a cross of equal sides. Within each square have been placed the 4 Animals of the Evangelists. (unfortunately, I was not able to find it again on the internet, and am still looking for it.). These 4 so called 'Animals' also represent the greater Cosmic Cross in Astronomie & Astrologie. Just check any Zodiac and you will find that they (Man, Bull, Eagle, Lion) form a cross.
More sidbits: I have just found the above mentioned Heraldic Shield of Masonry ("The Arms of y most Ancient & Honorable Fraternity of Free and Accepted Masons" & "The Arms of the Operative or Stone Masons." in a book: It is from the title page of a book (?) called "Ahiman Rezon". Any information or comments? Time to 'Google' again 
Can anyone tell me the 'traditional' cardinal points for each 'Animal'? Mathew/Homo = North?, Mark/Bos = South?, Luke/Leo = West?, and John/Aguile = East? Within the Rosicrucian tradition (AMORC/CR+C) the student takes an alegorical 'walk' around the triangle (Micro) through the degrees, and within the greater Cycle (Macro) of the Order (Zodiac) 1° = 72 years. Interestingly, Studion has also done this in his circle (Clock of God), his building of the Holy City, the foundations of which when his numbers are triangulated = 1378 which as I have mentioned before is the 'year' of the birth of Christian Rosenkreuz. Studion has 'joined' the 'above' part of the 'Temple' with the 'below' (foundation), with the triangle i.e., in a zig zag fashion. If you draw a circle and place a cardboard triangle within it, like the hands of a clock, you will basicly have a simple presentation of what I am trying to describe. Like the hands of a clock the triangle also 'moves' in a clockwise direction around the circle, but the calculations of Studion (from 0-24) regarding the Temple are in an anticlockwise direction (Zodiac). I still have not quite figured out the implications of this yet. Do you know why John Dee had 156 squares in his magical square? The number 156 is also equal to the word "Zion" and also the name of 'Joseph' and also the children of Joseph as presented by Studion. I am still trying to understand how the children of Jacob & Joseph are linked together. Best I can do. |
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 2, 2005 5:47:26 GMT
Jacob is also called Israel, and is the father of Joseph, therefore Jacob is the grandfather of Joseph's children. In the New Testament, Joseph is the father of James, Jesus' brother, and James , from Latin Jacomus or Jacobus, is actually the same name as Jacob.
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Post by hollandr on Jul 2, 2005 7:15:17 GMT
Jacob is also called Israel, and is the father of Joseph, therefore Jacob is the grandfather of Joseph's children. In the New Testament, Joseph is the father of James, Jesus' brother, and James , from Latin Jacomus or Jacobus, is actually the same name as Jacob. As I recall Knight and Lomas tell us that "jacob" is derived from Sumerian and means a stone pillar. Sounds very like the name of the right hand pillar at the porch of the temple. Perhaps it is not a name but a description Cheers Russell |
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Post by sid on Jul 2, 2005 21:36:41 GMT
Greetings Russel, Interesting & thought provoking points, thanks. Now we are getting into the nitty gritty of the subject. Jacob is also called Israel, and is the father of Joseph, therefore Jacob is the grandfather of Joseph's children. In the New Testament, Joseph is the father of James, Jesus' brother, and James , from Latin Jacomus or Jacobus, is actually the same name as Jacob. As I recall Knight and Lomas tell us that "jacob" is derived from Sumerian and means a stone pillar. Sounds very like the name of the right hand pillar at the porch of the temple. Perhaps it is not a name but a description Cheers Russell Words & numbers can be important vehicles of power. Some questions: Each of the 2 pillars "J & B" has a name and each reflect the floor of your Temple: Is there a remote possibility that the numerical value of the names 'Jacob' & 'Joseph' are linked to the the 2 pillars in any way? If so, which name & which number for which pillar? Speculation on my part, but is one pillar the foundation and one the completion of the Temple? As both are presented together, then your Temple is complete, and the candidate between the 2 pillars has already "Opened the Stone" regardless of knowledge or experience of such. Each IS of the point within the Circle, regardless of its name, number or symbol. Question: Does your floor start with a black square, or with a white one, and is there a traditional 'number' of squares? |
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Post by sid on Jul 3, 2005 0:04:45 GMT
Check picture at URL: (the URL was too long & distorted the thread) Or do a search under 'images' with the word 'Ahiman Rezon'. I found a large example of the engraving at: freemasonry.bcy.ca/grandlodge.htmlIn the engraving you will some examples of heraldic use of colour e.g., the 'horizontal' lines are dark blue/azur, the dotted/speckled = yellow/gold. I'm not sure about the '///' lines on the Cross, they may be either green or purple (  ). Verticle lines represent the colour red. The 4 'animals' would represent the 4 corners of the Temple (X), and the Cross (+) the 4 points of the Compass. (which is also the source of the words 'News' as in newspaper i.e., N.E.W.S.) Good 'news' Another question: Is the Compass in the engraving the same as the normal circle or is there a difference in meaning (symbolical) between the normal compass for drawing circles & the one with 2 needle points as used in navigation? In the engraving of Studion there is also a circle on his table/desk, with the points, partly closed & pointing towards the viewer. Any special or possible meaning? See additional comments below: Greetings Bro. Giovanni, Interesting post. In an early drawing of Masonic heraldry there is a shield with a square on it that has been quartered by a cross of equal sides. Within each square have been placed the 4 Animals of the Evangelists. (unfortunately, I was not able to find it again on the internet, and am still looking for it.). These 4 so called 'Animals' also represent the greater Cosmic Cross in Astronomie & Astrologie. Just check any Zodiac and you will find that they (Man, Bull, Eagle, Lion) form a cross.
More sidbits: I have just found the above mentioned Heraldic Shield of Masonry ("The Arms of y most Ancient & Honorable Fraternity of Free and Accepted Masons" & "The Arms of the Operative or Stone Masons." in a book: It is from the title page of a book (?) called "Ahiman Rezon". Any information or comments? Time to 'Google' again
Can anyone tell me the 'traditional' cardinal points for each 'Animal'? Mathew/Homo = North?, Mark/Bos = South?, Luke/Leo = West?, and John/Aguile = East? Best I can do. |
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Post by hollandr on Jul 3, 2005 0:51:28 GMT
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>Some questions: Each of the 2 pillars "J & B" has a name and each reflect the floor of your Temple: Is there a remote possibility that the numerical value of the names 'Jacob' & 'Joseph' are linked to the the 2 pillars in any way?
Well I have not seen that Sumerians used numeric values for their symbolic writing but there is plenty of precedents for that.
I think for the 2 pillars you might look at "Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods" by Albert Churchward. From memory he relates the 2 pillars to Upper and Lower Egypt. Apparently they both had a pillar and when unified as one kingdom had 2 pillars.
The pillars (from memory) appear in many early religious rites e.g. totem poles in the US and in New Zealand (forget the NZ name) and in Australian aboriginal rites.
Knight and Lomas say that the 2 pillars in the temple represent the kingly and the priestly messiahs. When you have both you have stability.
But what were the pillars in Egypt. Were they symbolic or functional? Even if they were symbolic, were they copied from something functional long before?
Or to put it another way, was spiritual masonry operative before we lost the knowledge (word) and thereby descended to speculative until the secrets of the knowledge are returned to us?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jul 16, 2005 23:29:16 GMT
Here is another symbol for you:  It is from a post card that an R+C friend sent to me a while back. Location: Heidelberg Castle in Germany The angel relief at the portal (15th century) |
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Post by sid on Jul 16, 2005 23:46:03 GMT
Ref.: The Lost Word
From the 'Comte de Gabalis' published by The Brothers, London 1913.
page 78 'Commentry'.
LVII "Agla. - Every letter of the Hebrew alphabet has hidden meaning, knowledge of which renders Hebrew names self interpretive. The four letters of the word AGLA and their significance are:-
A.- The First Cause, Positive Force.
G.- Negative Force.
L.- Objective Force.
A.- The First Cause.
Hence AGLA is seen to signify the First Cause in triple aspect and to be a synonym of the ancient Hebrew word Al- the Sun, (Creator of the Sun of our solar system). Al sygnifies the Sun behind the Sun in triple aspect, the Trinity Unmanifest symbolised thus (circle with triangle, point up, within) ..."
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Post by sid on Jul 16, 2005 23:59:17 GMT
'Gottorfer Riesenglobus' The Globe mentioned in the Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz. Anno 1459 actually existed, and is believed to have been a place of Initiation.  |
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 17, 2005 0:12:33 GMT
The so-called "Name" of God, AGLA, is an acronym of the sentence "Atoh Gevurah Le' olahm Adonai", meaning, "The power is Thine forever, O Lord".
I know you all know that, but just for the benefit of the slow day boys at the back.
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Post by hollandr on Jul 17, 2005 1:26:46 GMT
Ruff
I thought that GOD was a acronym devised by the writers of the KJV of the bible.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jul 17, 2005 5:32:34 GMT
An acronym for what Russell? Spell it out please.
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 17, 2005 7:24:42 GMT
Grand Overseer & Designer
Can anyone else think of suitable (or even unsuitable) acronyms to fit names for the Divinity?
LORD = Legally Obligated Regulator of Directives
AGLA = All Genuine Letters Answered
JHVH = Jews & Hebrews Values He
HASHEM = Heaven Already Sympathises: Hell Eventually Materialises
TGAOTU = Tuesday Got Another One; Thursday Usually
Etc.
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Post by hollandr on Jul 17, 2005 8:03:22 GMT
Taylorsman
>An acronym for what Russell? Spell it out please.
I have seen two origins for it so I will look into it further but here is something to start
"Oddly, the exact history of the word God is unknown. The word God is a relatively new European invention, which was never used in any of the ancient Judaeo-Christian scripture manuscripts that were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek or Latin.
According to the best efforts of linguists and researchers, the root of the present word God is the Sanskrit word hu which means to call upon, invoke, implore."
Cheers
Russell
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Post by hollandr on Jul 17, 2005 8:52:05 GMT
Taylorsman Here is some more bibleanswerstand.org/God_2.htmFor myself I think that the accidental explanation does not give enough credence to the talent assembled for the King James translation Cheers Russell |
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 18, 2005 19:40:48 GMT
An acronym for what Russell? Spell it out please.
Did you mean, Gomar Oz Dubar?
This is Hebrew for our Wisdom, Strength, Beauty. A fine mnemonic, if you are a Hebraist. which every Esoteric Mason ought to at least pretend to be.
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Post by hollandr on Jul 18, 2005 22:11:49 GMT
Ruff
Yes that is given by Mouni Sadhu. But I am not sure whether that acronym commences or follows the use of the term god.
The url I gave could be interpreted as support for the proposition that an accidental use of g o d was later captured by some with masonic leanings when writing the KJV bible.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jul 21, 2005 9:42:54 GMT
Another symbol from the work of Khunrath.  |
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 21, 2005 20:16:59 GMT
Ummm. A pont in a triangle in a square, was it?
Add a straight line and it's Euclid.
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). Verticle lines represent the colour red.
