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Post by symbol on Dec 3, 2004 18:28:51 GMT
Is there a link to the Templar Masons or is it just one of those stories. If there is someone who explain the imagery used, or is the image by Eliphas Levi's image just that a fanciful work of art.
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Post by offramp on Dec 4, 2004 18:41:19 GMT
I personally - but I am not alone - believe that Baphomet is just a mediaeval version of Mahomet, ie Mahommed. Reading the Chinon Document helps.
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Post by taylorsman on Dec 5, 2004 8:13:59 GMT
You could be right there Offramp, but Baphomet was one of the pieces of "evidence" used against the Templars as it was said to be an Idol consisting according to some of a Head or a Skull worshipped by the KTs.
The Skull does of course feature in KT Ritual and Symbolism in a number of ways, but is NOT worshipped nor venerated.
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Post by billmcelligott on Dec 5, 2004 18:07:11 GMT
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Post by middlepillar on Dec 5, 2004 19:45:12 GMT
Bill
Great explanation and extremely entertaining, thanks for the enlightenment!
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Post by ingo on Dec 6, 2004 10:30:54 GMT
Baphomet is NOT coming from Mahomet = Mohammed. This explenantion was chosen by the french king that the templars could be burned to stake....
Baphomet = abu al Fi'hamat = father of wisdom
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Post by offramp on Dec 6, 2004 11:55:31 GMT
Baphomet is NOT coming from Mahomet = Mohammed. This explenantion was chosen by the french king that the templars could be burned to stake.... Baphomet = abu al Fi'hamat = father of wisdom Baphomet is NOT coming from Baphomet = abu al Fi'hamat = father of wisdom; applying the Hebrew Atbash code Baphomet = Sophia = wisdom.
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Post by ingo on Dec 7, 2004 13:03:18 GMT
offrampso what? Your explanation does not "kill" mine nore vice verse ;D abu (father) al (of) fihamat (wisdom = Sophia) This title was given to the head of the sufi-group "The building masters". Their rituals and symbols had to do with the erection of King solomons temple. This sufi mouvement was open for muslims, jews and christians...
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Post by offramp on Dec 7, 2004 20:54:51 GMT
The truth is that the word Baphomet is derived from two Greek words Baph and Metis meaning "Baptism of Wisdom.
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Post by Late Knight Chemist on Dec 8, 2004 10:26:37 GMT
Offramp, I have only seen brief references. Apparently there will soon be a book dealing with this document or parchment.
Can we assume that you have read it or a full explanation of its content? If so, how accessible is it?
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Post by Stash on Dec 15, 2004 17:52:30 GMT
The entry in this dictionary for Baphomet is pretty pathetic, it just reads:
"Among the charges preferred against the Order of the Knights of the Temple was that of worshipping an idol or image called Baphomet. The word is probably a corruption of Mahomet, and the image itself, with its mystical embellishments was without doubt a cabalistic talisman, which the Templars had brought from the East, and which had some connection with the hermetic philosophy of the arabians. That it was an object of worship among the members of that Order there is not a shadow of proof."
This, in my opinion, is a lazy historian's work. A historian who reads and repeats...rather than reads and interprets then revises.
Now, much more sensefully, as Offramp pointed out already, Baphomet probably is Atbash cypher of Sophia, the greek word for Wisdom. This is mentioned by K&L in "The Second Messiah" on page 117, and they give credit to the discovery to Hugh Schonfield, who discovered that Atbash was used to conceal individuals names. (note: this fact is also mentioned in "The Hiram Key" on page 264-265)
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