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Post by whistler on Jan 6, 2005 9:58:44 GMT
Stewart I do not have an answer but you will find three references to Sirius in Morals and Dogma which suggest as we study Egyptian Freemasonry we could find a trail. PS No mention of "8-ft green & scaly" Further Stewart You will notice on the TFM thread cracks about the length of time it would take to get to Sirius - which is the level some people are at. When you talk about Sirius, in the context, of Maori, African, Egyptian and other folk law we are talking about dimensions, of truely different concepts. In a Cosmos as vast as we inhabit, I would imagine travelling from Sirius to earth in an instant would not be a problem, how - if - why are the questions that we ask ;D
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Post by a on Jan 6, 2005 10:49:50 GMT
Whistler
When I went on a holiday to Egypt back in 1991 as the first Gulf War broke out, I unknowingly at the time went on a 14 year so far journey which has led me to many places, including Freemasonry. With hindsight it is very clear that my own personal journey in this lifetime to where I am Masonically started there, quite probably in the kings chamber of the Great Pyramid. I know that this sounds dramatic and fanciful, but it is also true, though at the time I was only aware of a feeling which sparked a journey. Mind you Karnak also left a wonderful impression on me.
Since then, as I have come to where I am today, I have come to realise that what I know and believe is quite Masonic in certain parts of Freemasonry. The more that I research externally and perform internal work the more that I do realise that I am indeed coming home.
A few books written by Freemasons and about Freemasonry have helped me on my own journey, simply by giving me evidence as to what I already know, though I have had difficulty in believing/understanding. Having just started M&D even in the first degree I have found a level of comfort.
I am utterly convinced that there are strong connections between Sirius, (at least parts of)Freemasonry and myself. But I am also painfully aware that many Freemasons today ridicule/disbelieve/deny any such connections. And I have to take this seriously for there will be reasons for it that I probably dont understand fully yet. But I will.
In the meantime all that I can do is continue my own internal work, listen to my heart and see what unfolds as I continue my own journey.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 6, 2005 11:24:07 GMT
".....I am utterly convinced that there are strong connections between Sirius, (at least parts of)Freemasonry and myself. But I am also painfully aware that many Freemasons today ridicule/disbelieve/deny any such connections. And I have to take this seriously for there will be reasons for it that I probably dont understand fully yet. But I will. "
Stewart, just keep it under your hat unless you meet someone as on this Forum who has an open mind or even agrees and let them make this known to you first. The Social Clubbers would consider that you weren't playing with a full deck, so why given them a club to beat you around the head? Often in Life it pays to hide one's Light under a bushel, I certainly do!
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Post by a on Jan 6, 2005 11:34:00 GMT
Taylorsman
That is indeed sound advice. However at this precise stage of my own journey I am more saddened by the fact that those who understand Freemasonry have to keep their light under a barrel for fear of what the social clubbers will think and do. I mean if those who are enlightened within Freemasonry can make no impression and live in fear of their own brothers, then what hope is there for Freemasonry in our world today?
And as I have said before, I may be mad.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 6, 2005 11:45:50 GMT
I wish you wouldn't put yourself down at the end of your postings, Stewart. It does you no good. Those who know and respect you feel you are devaluing yourself, those who consider you a fool will only laugh the more at you and say, "Told you so!". You never see me put such a statement in a posting, I say what I think, if I am PROVEN to be wrong I have to accept that , but I don't go into the fight having broken my own lance.
I also take the cards I am dealt and try to play my way to a better position. The Social Clubbers are in the driving seat at present, we can keep our Light safe until hopefully a better and more receptive climate occurs. This Forum does a great deal to preserve such freedom of discussion and interchange of ideas safe from control freak Moderators or sneering Mundanes, the last one of those to try to interlope was given the bum's rush back to where he belonged!
So post here free and of good report Stewart and wait, "till the King comes into his own again" as they did in days of yore.
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 0:17:29 GMT
To Robert who asked me about the Maori Sirius legend, A learned Old Man mentioned it briefly whilst talking about other things, I will try and Track him down.... Have your answered question on TFM- when you see the enlightened comments from the Mod over there, it is best to discuss such things here
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Post by Mikepm on Jan 7, 2005 1:35:21 GMT
Out of interest who are the Social clubbers
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Post by Trinityman on Jan 7, 2005 2:13:21 GMT
Out of interest who are the Social clubbers Apparently Mike, one is seriously into 'esotery' or one is a social clubber. There appears to be no middle ground. Personally I would still like to find out what people think is the masonic connection with Sirius. For those of us less knowledgeable folk about this kind of thing sometimes answers can be difficult to follow, so please go slow and some of us 'social clubbers' might learn something As for the 8-footers reptilians, Icke claimed they came from Sirius, hence the original reference.
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 2:41:20 GMT
Apparently Mike, one is seriously into 'esotery' or one is a social clubber. There appears to be no middle ground. Personally I would still like to find out what people think is the masonic connection with Sirius. For those of us less knowledgeable folk about this kind of thing sometimes answers can be difficult to follow, so please go slow and some of us 'social clubbers' might learn something As for the 8-footers reptilians, Icke claimed they came from Sirius, hence the original reference. Ok Trinityman I am sorry I picked on your Reptile, you caught me - I don't know anything about Icke. About this whole Sirius thing it MAY be a load of rubbish, It is a case of when one sees a lot of threads ie the Myths and legends and Masonic orders using the name. It is enough for me to poke around and wonder - might even learn something new totally unconnected with Sirius who knows - Glad you can join us on the ride
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 7, 2005 4:08:26 GMT
Whistler, if you don't know anything about Icke you are indeed fortunate.
He used to be a goalkeeper for some Midlands football team, Coventry City I think, then a TV Sports Commentator. Fair enough but then he came out with many strange ideas about intelligent lizards from space. At that time on British TV there was a Sci Fi series called "V" which had a similar plot line, extra terrestrial lizard men disguised as humans try to take over the Earth. Icke also started to go about in a purple tracksuit as he claimed that the colour had special powers for him. So far, so good, but he has also alleged some strange things against Freemasonry and is very much a Conspiracy Theory Merchant.
The funny thing is that he is now seldom heard of in the UK EXCEPT on Fora and websites and I feel we ought to ignore him and cut off the Oxygen of Publicity and he would then hopefully fade away.
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Post by Trinityman on Jan 7, 2005 12:04:59 GMT
I have supported Coventry City since I was young enough to feel pain, and I don't recall him being of particularly high quality in the goalkeeping department (which presumably is why he played for Cov). He went on to be a TV commentator with ITV before his strange transformation into purple shellsuits when he claimed to be Jesus on national TV. I was surprised to see posters around Santa Barbara when I was in California in 1997 inviting people to one of his meetings, but subsequently I have understood that he is spending more and more time in North America. Perhaps because that's where the money is??? There was a very amusing thread on TFM about 12 months ago where several of us had claimed to see 8-foot reptilians at Elkington Lodge and it turned out we were looking at each other (imagine my surprise...etc). I'll try and temper my admittedly obscure sense of humour so as not to upset the more serious-minded amongst us
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Post by roberthlamar on Jan 7, 2005 15:12:50 GMT
1 - Stewart, just keep it under your hat unless you meet someone as on this Forum who has an open mind or even agrees and let them make this known to you first. The Social Clubbers would consider that you weren't playing with a full deck, so why given them a club to beat you around the head? Often in Life it pays to hide one's Light under a bushel, I certainly do!
R : Very true, well said.
2 - A 24/7 Freemason.
R : This is the only way to be.
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Post by roberthlamar on Jan 7, 2005 15:33:43 GMT
1 - Out of interest who are the Social clubbers.
R: The msons that are in freemasonry just for the social aspect of masonry. ;D
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Post by roberthlamar on Jan 7, 2005 15:37:28 GMT
1 - About the Maori Sirius legend. A learned Old Man mentioned it briefly whilst talking about other things, I will try and Track him down....
R : I will wait for your research.
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 7, 2005 17:32:11 GMT
[quote author=Trinityman Apparently Mike, one is seriously into 'esotery' or one is a social clubber. There appears to be no middle ground.
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Post by Trinityman on Jan 7, 2005 22:55:07 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Jan 9, 2005 12:47:20 GMT
I like to think of the blue in craft Masonry as Sirius blue - a pale blue with a slight undertone of turquoise.
The star at the top of the stair/ladder in the EA TB is regarded as Sirius in Co-Masonry (as I recall) and I have no reason to doubt it. It supposedly has 7 points to correspond to the 7 liberal arts and sciences. This may be an oblique way of saying that that star is the origin of those things. (That method is used in the TB lecture in an oblique identification of the 7 Masons who make a lodge perfect.)
On the other hand the egyptian hieroglyph for Sirius has a pyramid, hemisphere and a 5 pointed star. Arguably the blazing star commonly in the pavement is also Sirius.
I seem to recall that more properly the blazing star should be high above the lodge floor only descending after the raising. This would symbolise the Sirian connection not occuring until after the 3rd degree. This would be a correct symbolism.
Isis (from Sirius) is The Widow. She wears a chair on her head in egyptian depictions and has a chair in her hieroglyph. The hieroglyph for Osiris is a chair and an eye - sounds like a good representation of a GL rep here to keep an eye on us. (see also the eye in relation to the Second Principal in HRA)
It is held that the path of most humans as they unfold spiritually and graduate from the solar system is via Sirius.
My limited interaction with the lodge on Sirius would tend to support the above.
I expect the above is not very satisfactory from an objective point of view.
But I am experientially satisfied over 20 years of the Sirian GL to which we are accountable.
Sirius is not the only star connected to Masonry.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by roberthlamar on Jan 9, 2005 12:51:06 GMT
1 - You have always made enlightened and well thought out comments, and I for one appreciate your presence here, and long may you continue to offer your opinion on any subject.
R : That reflects my opinion as well. ;D
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 11, 2005 8:07:03 GMT
Russell, fascinating and food for thought and contains some points I hadn't thought about, keep it coming!
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Post by whistler on Jan 11, 2005 9:04:34 GMT
Russell, as always good thinking stuff. Good to talk without being labelled a nutter. I have always had an feeling for beyond planet Earth. Sirius has never drawn me but Orion must certainly does, and Hancocks story about Leo Sphinx and the equinox etc certainly feels good to me. You mentioned Alice / Foster Bailey have a look at these people www.grandlodgeaum.org/DP.htmThey base a lot of their Masonry around the teachings of Alice Bailey. They feel that traditional Freemasonry has lost its way, in the Bar room and the Charity Bazaar's and believe the hidden wisdom of Freemasonry has been passed onto them
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