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Post by a on Jan 11, 2005 9:18:48 GMT
Sirius has never drawn me but Orion must certainly does With me, Sirius is very very important, something which I am just coming to understand. Orion is also there, but I dont understand my feelings for Orion as well - yet. I would agree with Russells view of Sirius, it is a way home.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 11, 2005 9:23:19 GMT
Stewart, at this time of year I often observe Orion as I leave work to ride home and I must say this has a positive effect on me which I cannot fully explain.
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Post by a on Jan 11, 2005 9:27:36 GMT
Taylorsman
Indeed, I understand what you say about Orion perfectly, I have for many years shared similar feelings.
There is a connection between Orion and Sirius of that I am sure. What that connection is I do not currently fully understand. But my feelings for Orion have been overtaken by my feelings for Sirius, which I can now identify with quite well. Quite magnetic really. BUt I am working hard on this and I am confident that my understanding will become clearer shortly.
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Post by whistler on Jan 11, 2005 19:22:47 GMT
The conclusion for a link to outer space, comes from tracing back, looking at apparent leaps of intelligence, in mankind. Look out into space. Yes Stars are a long way away... Mankind with his primative ideas, can send messages back from Mars in a relatively short time....200 years ago it took Months to send a message from Auckland to London.
The Stars - there are more than I can ever count - the bases of knowledge logically can't be the domain of one little planet , Earth attached to a little Star we call "Sun"
Go back to Hanthingy's Book. to build all the pyramids and the Sphinx to line up as they did at such a precise moment in time.
They must have started the building many many years before the particular equinox moment .
You can get to the situation mentioned in the book without any "Esoterics" The Line Up was a Fact, The Buildings are there.
It is the why and what is the next step that is really exciting to contemplate.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 12, 2005 0:09:16 GMT
Stewart
Orion is represented in the archetypal egyptian lodge by Osiris - Master, Isis SW and Sekmet JW. Sekmet is nicely symbolic but not literal of the lion's grip - being one of the 9 or so lion-headed goddesses physically present in egyptian times.
That lodge arrangement tells you about the various attempts to manage the human race.
The smallest star on the belt of Orion - Mintaka - has presented itself in our meditation group on occasion but I do not recall the context.
But if you meditate and regard Orion, then use the constellation as a window. Open the window and see the Being behind Orion.
You can do the same with the Pleiades and may thereby discover the source of the beehive in Masonic imagery.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by hollandr on Jan 12, 2005 0:19:11 GMT
Whistler
I am familiar with the AUM lodge. When I had contact with the head Keith (?) Bailey perhaps 10 years ago he was having trouble writing a 2nd degree ritual. Probably he has written something by now.
While I do not doubt that he inherited material from Alice Bailey (aunt) at the time I only considered it a staging point in the completion of this jewish-based ritual cycle. So I did not join their local lodge.
Some time has passed and I would be interested to know if you consider AUM a viable path forward for Masonry.
The new cycle is likely to emphasise inner ritual. You can see signs of that in the instructions of the Golden Dawn for the inner work that overlaid the physical ritual. I expect that to some extent the new cycle will include periods of purely inner ritual in the workings.
Cheers
Russell Russell
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Post by whistler on Jan 12, 2005 0:43:09 GMT
I was not comfortable with their ceremonies, a bit too theatrical, that certainly doesn't prevent me wishing them well, and am always happy to direct seekers to them so they can make their own decisions. Is it a Viable path forward for Masonry - Nothing can stop the teaching of Masonry- Lodges evolve according to time and the environment. I don't think any Masonic order has exclusive rights to the teachings we are all at different stages on our paths - for some AUM would be excellant For some Comasonry, for some the New Crowd that Robert is starting, in fact all the different Lodges offer something to their followers .. As we agree it is about seeking the Light HGW
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 12, 2005 4:56:27 GMT
Russell, At present, as I understand it, there is only one AUM lodge in NZ. It was started by two former, CoM members (Husband & Wife). This followed a tour to NZ by the Englishman who is attempting to resurrect the old Alice Baily Masonic rites started during the war. I attended his lecture in Ch'ch but was unimpressed by the mainly "Baily speak" that permeated his talk. You had to have had a background in AB to understand a lot of it. I have studied some of AB's work, which is in line with Theosophical ideals, but for me is a little too theoretical & "channelled". However there is al;ot of good in her words. My only problem with AUM, is their stated ideal to present Masonry to all & sundry, irrespective of initiations. They suggested classes on masonic subjects and secrets irrespective of the individuals' background.
Whilst I am all for free speach and sharing of knowledge, i still feel that our Masonic treasures and ceremonies should maintain their traditional methods of working, as the spiritual energy has to be properly prepared for.
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Post by hollandr on Jan 12, 2005 7:48:31 GMT
Whistler and Hubert
Thanks for your comments. They confirm my impressions of AUM.
I might say that the secrets of Masonry are hard to betray because Masons know few of them. They are hidden in the why of various peculiarities of ritual.
The secrets are easier to discover if the ritual is energised by the attention of TGAOTU, but this is unfortunately not so common. So a ritual that goes through the motions is not alive and is not easily comprehended.
Hence the secrets remain hicden even from Masons.
On the other hand there are things in some of the channelled teachings that were never taught in public in the past. And some things that were never taught at all.
If Masonry is unable to learn from new teachings then it will become a museum piece of archaic ritual practiced by the equivalent of steam engine enthusiasts.
The human race and the solar system are moving forward - new aspects of the Deity are ready for demonstration through the human race and other kingdoms.
Is Masonry able to attune to the new plans of TGAOTU? Or is it a place for apprentices only?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by a on Jan 12, 2005 8:10:04 GMT
The human race and the solar system are moving forward - new aspects of the Deity are ready for demonstration through the human race and other kingdoms. Indeed (I can only comment on this planet).Masonry can, of that I am sure, but is it ready? Unfortunately I don't think so, for so many parts of it appear to me to have forgotten what light feels like. Trying to explain this is not easy, especially since I say that Sirius is like home. But finding Freemasonry is also like coming home from a long time away, but what I see is fragmentation, and physicality in so many parts of my home. Those Ruffians appear to be having a party. And that hurts my heart.
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Post by whistler on Jan 12, 2005 8:24:03 GMT
Indeed (I can only comment on this planet).Masonry can, of that I am sure, but is it ready? Unfortunately I don't think so, for so many parts of it appear to me to have forgotten what light feels like. Trying to explain this is not easy, especially since I say that Sirius is like home. But finding Freemasonry is also like coming home from a long time away, but what I see is fragmentation, and physicality in so many parts of my home. Those Ruffians appear to be having a party. And that hurts my heart. Stewart think of it as a family of Lions, as they grow up the cubs cause mayhem and then move off to clam their own territory. Nothing is constant even Freemasonry there is room for more than one expression of Freemasonry each as valid as each other- It should give your heart Joy, to see that Freemasonry is not a tired backwater
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Post by a on Jan 12, 2005 12:41:52 GMT
Russell Thank you again you are helping me take a very positive step. Orion is represented in the archetypal egyptian lodge by Osiris - Master, Isis SW and Sekmet JW. Sekmet is nicely symbolic but not literal of the lion's grip - being one of the 9 or so lion-headed goddesses physically present in egyptian times. That lodge arrangement tells you about the various attempts to manage the human race. It is interesting that my journey to knocking on the door of Freemasonry really started in Egypt, quite possibly in the Great Pyramid, and took me via Egyptology the astrosciences and ufology before finally seeking membership. I really must write an article about my experiences here. It may offer amusement to some.
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Post by whistler on Jan 12, 2005 19:17:28 GMT
Further to your troubled heart Stewart. Put your Karmic Glasses..Cause - effect You have studied Bhuddism _remember the 4 Noble Truths... They contain all the answers to distress. Stewart - You have a way of attracting people to both your Posts and your Plights... You sent my mind back to "the Four Noble Truths" Having just looked them again they are just so wonderful and so simple, thinking back to the anguish you sometimes indicate in your postings... Stewart if you haven't got a copy get one and read it. It would help you so much.
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 12, 2005 19:51:40 GMT
Stewart From certain Posts I am thinking that you have been 'bullied' by certain people on other Fora and I believe (although I am not sure?) You may have been given words of consolation on our Forum. Forgive me if I am wrong or being too presumptive. I have known you now (through masonic forums) for about 7 months, I have said many times (here & there) that I find your posts all things ;D But I would like to assure you that above all I always read your Posts with an open mind (to start with!) and whatever reaction I feel I try to evaluate all that you are saying. I think that can be said of all that Post here. Maybe it is time that you started Posting in a Forum that doesn't ridicule or try to belittle what you have to say. Because finally Stewart although I do not always agree with you I do know you speak from the heart, and basically that is good enough for me
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Post by a on Jan 12, 2005 20:40:46 GMT
Whistler
Thank you for reminding me, sometimes the obvious needs pointing out.
My heart has been troubled with so many things over the years as I have found my way through life. And every time I come to a level of understanding, I find yet even more to learn, which is great. The trouble that my heart has here and now, today, is that I am now ready to give back, it is just a question of knowing where to start. At least I now know where to look for answers.
Middlepillar
Bullying in Freemasonry? Seriously? I am agast. There is no need for forgiveness I prefer straight talking. I do hear you, but I do feel a special connection with another forum as I went from being lost to where I am today there. And I do like to focus my energies in one place. Makes it easier for me to keep up. But I will confess that I am considering leaving the Internet for a while, while I perform some more intensive internal work. This has nothing to do with my treatment elsewhere, after all I chose this path and I think that I have made a small difference to some through my time there. But I have bigger issues to deal with where I can do an awful lot more, and it is to those issues that I am now turning (finding ways to take my previous small successes in helping make our world a little better for everyone to the international level).
Working from my heart has been a very difficult skill to learn but one that I cherish.
This forum has indeed been wonderful, and has grasped a cutting edge in the Masonic world that another forum once had in terms of briging Freemasons together, and long may that continue, and all credit to Staffs.
And finally (had to end sometime) Middlepillar I do not ask that you agree with me, only that you think about what I say, and with more thinking and a little will, Freemasonry will begin to find its way again. And that would make me a very happy man. Remember I really do see what we currently know as Freemasonry to be a Divine gift that can be found in our hearts, and the world needs Freemasonry more today that it has for a very long time. And I do realise how arrogant my opinions must sound here, but that is what happens when you work from your heart.
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Post by waynecowley on Jan 13, 2005 8:21:01 GMT
Stewart
I think I speak for all in saying that if you did take some time off from the fora you post on we would all miss you
Wayne
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 13, 2005 9:16:01 GMT
Stewart, as I have said in the past, stick around. Here you are safe from the attacks of the insidious. Whilst we do not over-Moderate nor are we heavy with censorship, any personal attacks, heavy sarcasm, intellectual priggishness and pedantry will get the bums' rush and be deleted as will if needs be the poster! One threat to Harmony from another Forum has been "Warned off the course" , to use a Horse Racing expression, already and he simply will not be permitted here.
So even if you don't post every day, stay here Stewart, you are welcome!
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