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Post by leonardo on Mar 2, 2005 14:18:18 GMT
Saw a programme on telly (Live TV Sky 214 UK) called the Why Files featuring Hamish Miller, a lay lines expert - It was mostly about "Lay Lines." I was rivited. So much so I looked up some info and came across this link: www.glastonburytor.org.uk/tor-leymap.htmlI'm not sure where this fits into Esortic Freemasonry, if at all, but I would love to know others views on this.
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 14, 2005 10:41:11 GMT
You mean ley lines.
Lay lines, on the other hand, are imaginary lines directing the traveller to the nearest place he can get laid. These days, English laid is most common in vernacular houses.
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 14, 2005 11:03:36 GMT
Thanks for the Link Leo, I love that area of England, if I had the money I would move there to live. For Easter I will be in Burnham on Sea and we will probably visit Glastonbury although I have been there many times before. There is something ethereal and mystical about the Somerset Levels, a great feeling of calm comes over me when I arrive there. BTW Freemasonry is very strong in that part of the Country and of course Bristol has its own Ritual far closer to the original than UGLE's Modern derivations.
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Post by leonardo on Mar 14, 2005 14:02:40 GMT
You mean ley lines. Lay lines, on the other hand, are imaginary lines directing the traveller to the nearest place he can get laid. These days, English laid is most common in vernacular houses. Talk about being pedantic! Great stuff, Ruff Steve I know what you mean. There are certain places like that here in Ireland too where I feel a similar sense of peace and well being. One is a place called Mount Mellary, which has an old monastery used by Cistercian monks. It's a great place for those wishing to find some peace and tranquillity, and is surrounded by some wonderful mountains.
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Post by whistler on Mar 15, 2005 0:22:35 GMT
Now there's nothing inherently magickal about dowsing rods. All they are is an amplifier for your own bodies reactions; you can train your body to react to various energies/information/whatever (choose your model---they all work) and your body react with twitches of mucle or changes in position that alter the position of the rods.
As to how to use them in the field, we'll get to that in a moment.
I also rely heavily on intuition to locate powerpoints. After you've found a few, you start to just get a feel for it. Oftentimes I'll be driving along a road, and just "feel" one a mile or two off the road, and be able to zero in on the general location by feel alone, and then get an exact location with the rods.
The easiest way to start is to look for major features in the landscape. Something about them generates earth Leo found this whilst looking for something else I can assure you that certain houses which happen to be on a lay lines especially if the lines cross some of the hauntings have made houses impossible to live in .
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Post by staffs on Mar 15, 2005 7:09:33 GMT
Now i have had experience with dowsing rods and we have found buried water mains with two bent welding rods being held parallel,one in each hand and when they cross of their own accord then this indicates the source which you can then trace the route.
However,it is also the cae that this does nit work at all for some people.
Why ?
or Whistler are you just locating a water source ?
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Post by whistler on Mar 15, 2005 7:16:34 GMT
staffs I think the opening paragraph "Now there's nothing inherently magickal about dowsing rods. All they are is an amplifier for your own bodies reactions; you can train your body to react to various energies/information/whatever (choose your model---they all work) and your body react with twitches of mucle or changes in position that alter the position of the rods.' Says it all people have to have the intent to start with.
Joking aside I would think the ability to find water pipes etc in your business would be a great asset
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Post by staffs on Mar 15, 2005 7:19:23 GMT
Well the old Plumber who showed some of us younger boys back then did say that you have to believe in it for it to work and those who snubbed the idea found they could not do it.
Thought and belief are very powerful tools are they not.?
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Post by staffs on Mar 15, 2005 7:20:54 GMT
And talking about lay lines would the lines of longtitude have any effect ?
A few miles along the coast we have the Meridian line running down the middle of a street. ?
And what about Dew ponds . Could they also have such energy. Would they have to join up with other leys
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Post by staffs on Mar 15, 2005 7:24:44 GMT
Th espelling should be LEY and not LAY
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Post by staffs on Mar 15, 2005 7:34:01 GMT
Steve, Burnham on Sea
We went there shooting a few years ago and it is a pretty grim and dull place if the sun doesnt shine.
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Post by whistler on Mar 15, 2005 7:38:08 GMT
And talking about lay lines would the lines of longtitude have any effect ? A few miles along the coast we have the Meridian line running down the middle of a street. ? And what about Dew ponds . Could they also have such energy. Would they have to join up with other leys I don't have the answers ALso what are dew ponds? Staffs I wonder if you go out with your rods' put the thought out that you are seeking Ley lines and wish to follow them and see what happens. Often old churches were buit at ley line junctions you might find some interest there
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 15, 2005 9:37:42 GMT
Lee, sorry you didn't like Burnham on Sea. Brighton can be grim in the rain and wind. I know, I lived there Jan 1985 to Dec 1994 . It is the atmosphere of Burnham and Somerset I like , especially the coastal plain and the Levels, all the area from Weston to Minehead. There is a peace and calm I can tune into there, I can relax. If you like the throttle is pulled back to idle rather than at full revs as I find here in the Thames Valley.
Now as to dousing etc. I assume some are attuned to this , some are not. Obviously if you believe in something it is more likely to work than if you are sceptical. This can even happen with medicines, the "placebo effect" where a totally ineffective substance will have a physical effect if the person taking it is told it will and believes it strongly enough.
Then there is the wish fullfullment effect. I have often wondered why the alleged apparitions of Mary always seem to be to peasants (especially pubescent girls) in very Roman Catholic Countries such as at Lourdes, Fatima , Knock, Madjagorie, etc. I would be far more conviced if she appeared to an educated Anglican man in the car park of Waitrose in Reading or even more so to a Sikh in Southall. This is also the problem with the "Haunted House". If a person with any imagination is told that a house is haunted then they are likely to "feel" or even "see" something. It would be far better if they were NOT told of the alleged presence until after they had experienced some manifestation.
I wasn't aware that Dew Ponds had any supernatural significance but thought that they were physical phenomena caused by water vapour condensing in hollows then evaporating later in the heat and sunlight.
I am NOT a sneering intellectual sceptic like some I could name, but do tend to look first for a natural explanation before seeking one in the Supernatural.
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 20, 2005 20:53:01 GMT
There are two distinct traditions concerning ley lines (some pronounce them lee, BTW). The first is that there persist in the landacape from extremely ancient times certain "ritual avenues", which in olden days served partly as ceremonial procession-routes and partly also as alignments between locations of mystic significance. The source-text for this is Bligh Bond's The Old Straight Track. John Michell's The New View Over Atlantis refers extensively to Bligh Bond's work, as well as to many other fascinating things.
The worn-in-ness of bridle paths and drovers' routes bear testimony to this firstmost of all works of Mankind. A beginning among hunters and scavengers, the way to this or that laden tree, through wasteland, to water, or underground, or in dreams. The reiteration of remembered paths, the gentle reshaping of our own soil by many successive minds and feet, generation unto generation, is a wordless language of common use, an architecture of the human scale. The landscapes have changed, and we ourselves with them, millennia unto millennia, like footsteps in the mytochondrial gyre. Yet the road still rolls, long and true, a straight line drawn freehand by unconscious craftsmen, synapse unto synapse.
The other tradition pleaches New Age science to old ways, the woods and wilds and the knowing of secret waters under stone. The rationale, that dowsing is the detection of invisible streams of energy bleeding beneath the world's skin; an acupuncture of the Earth mother's gravid belly. The graphic for these tellurian veins of rushing Chi energy is that work of structural geometry originated by W. Buckminster Fuller, the geodesic sphere. As if upon a great soccer football, the stitchlines mark where thick floods of ethereal energy, each a Nile, Danube, Hwang Ho or Amazon, rush endlessly onward, invisible bloodstreams of the energetic Earth. Where stitchlines cross, these are the confluences of surging bolts of tellurian energy. The recent discovery of the carbon molecule Buckminster-Fullerine (Buckie Balls) is thought to add credence to the idea of this geodesic network, an Internet of Earthpower, underpinning all our human existence.
These traditions, although technically separate, do knit together in the mind, particularly as the theory gains from widespread popular awareness. No practical application for harnessing these supposed energies has been seriously proposed, as far as I am aware. But perhaps that is to lose sight of the figurative, poetic value of the theory. It's not so much that this energy exists "out there", it exists for us as an aid in our understanding of the precious Earth herself, and our holistic oneness with her. No mere pathetic fallacy, the Earth inscribed all over with the neural lace of our pathmakings, tattooed with the inner life of culture, is a living body of humanity.
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