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AMORC
Oct 8, 2005 22:27:15 GMT
Post by gevers1 on Oct 8, 2005 22:27:15 GMT
A colleague at my work has discovered (through a simple google search) that I'm a freemason. He's now been asking me what I know about AMORC, and what the difference is between the Craft and AMORC. I did a few searches (including on this forum, but cannot find any mention of it), but it's a somewhat bewildering array of sites you find; in a nutshell, can anyone here tell me what AMORC is exactly?
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AMORC
Oct 8, 2005 23:04:34 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 8, 2005 23:04:34 GMT
gervers1
I have not been in AMORC for many years but at the time it was a mail order "initiatory" organisation with some local lodges that members could attend if they wished.
Arguably the quality of AMORC technical teachings went downhill after the death of its founder Lewis. Lewis had OTO connections
In Europe AMORC may have been better after it separated again from the US organisation
As I recall, the lodge rituals drew on Masonic ritual but with significant differences.
My observation of the local lodge was that waves of related people came in for a decade and moved on leaving the organisation to the next wave.
Cheers
Russell
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AMORC
Oct 9, 2005 7:49:12 GMT
Post by taylorsman on Oct 9, 2005 7:49:12 GMT
Many years ago I wrote off to AMORC having clipped the coupon in a magazine. I got some interesting promotional material but also saw that this was a commercial organisation and that money would be requested for each study section one had to partake. I took it no further.
Now what I would be very interested in would be if the Order of the Golden Dawn OGD) is still active in the UK. I have read some of their Rituals and I see that, similar to LDH Freemasonry, they require true study and understanding of a Degree and examine an aspirant very throroughly indeed before he can advance to the Degree above.
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AMORC
Oct 9, 2005 8:25:42 GMT
Post by hollandr on Oct 9, 2005 8:25:42 GMT
Taylorsman
Apparently in the heydays of the GD, one of the tests for Adeptus Minor was building a visualisation of a temple. The examiner would directly inspect the visualisation.
Within a few years there seemed to be no members left able to test candidates in that way
Cheers
Russell
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AMORC
Oct 9, 2005 9:12:04 GMT
Post by jonathan on Oct 9, 2005 9:12:04 GMT
GD *is* still active in the UK - either via some of the groups that derived from the original order (Soc. Inner Light etc.) or those with a more direct relationship.
At least one member of the forum here, that I know of, is in a GD order.
Jonathan
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AMORC
Oct 9, 2005 10:28:35 GMT
Post by generalpike on Oct 9, 2005 10:28:35 GMT
but cannot find any mention of it), but it's a somewhat bewildering array of sites you find; in a nutshell, can anyone here tell me what AMORC is exactly? TFM has this link www.amorc.org/ on its Link page, it may assist. GP
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AMORC
Oct 9, 2005 10:28:58 GMT
Post by middlepillar on Oct 9, 2005 10:28:58 GMT
Amorc is these days being sold as the US equivalent of the SRIA, there is only a couple of USA Colleges tied in with SRIA, the rest are mainly tied up with AMORC.
The GD is active in the UK.
The Fellowship of the Rosy Cross (Arthur Waites attempt to replace The GD's Magik with Western Mysticsm) Is active in the UK.
I know quite a few members of both
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AMORC
Oct 22, 2005 7:10:19 GMT
Post by jmd on Oct 22, 2005 7:10:19 GMT
AMORC and the SRIA are entirely different - in the USA as well as in Australia, the UK, or any other country.
In the USA, SRIA is equivalent to SRICF.
It may also be worth mentioning that, unless rules have changed, it used to be the case that the UGLE in the UK viewed AMORC as 'quasi-masonic' and UGLE members were prohibited membership thereof.
Where there is a similar type structure is in the names of the grades (similar, also, to the GD, which in any case derived from the SRIA).
The repective AMORC Lodge rituals are quite distinct to either Masonic or SRIA or GD ones, though of course any initiatic order will have similarities of general form from a more anthropological perspective.
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AMORC
Feb 17, 2012 22:32:39 GMT
Post by paulos on Feb 17, 2012 22:32:39 GMT
Hi.
I have recently joined AMORC, I am really dissapointed with being a neophyte. There is a no discusion of the subjects with real people, you just recieve "lessons" in the post. Also, I have learnt more at the local spiritualist church and on a Brahma Kumaris meditation course. How can I quit my membership and join a local masonic lodge without knowing a free mason? My local lodge has a Rose Croix chapter. Would that be beneficial?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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AMORC
Feb 26, 2012 20:31:02 GMT
Post by jackson on Feb 26, 2012 20:31:02 GMT
I will freely admit that while I do not know much concerning AMORC, I will say that what little I have read on it seems to indicate that they are a small business which sells courses on spirituality. As a side note on whether or not you can "leave" AMORC, I think you can as one person related that they resigned from AMORC due to a disagreement they had with the organization. In regards to joining a masonic institution without being recommended, well...I think that is near impossible. If I'm not mistaken, you must be recommended by a brother at the lodge you wish to join and you must have a good reputation and lastly, you must be in good health and/or unmaimed. Also, I think there's a fee you have to pay once you join, which is in accordance with the ancient stonemason's tradition. Once again, I'm not a mason and I am not familiar with the procedures for joining a masonic body. In regards to the similarities between AMORC and Freemasonry, I must say that what little knowledge I do possess in regards to Freemasonry's ancient manuscripts, I am compelled to conclude that there was a group of stonemasons alive around the 1400's/1600's who claimed to promote this notion of believing in one God, following the laws of the land, and promoted similar ideas and teachings promoted by the craft of Freemasonry. However, as several masonic authorities will allude, there is a fine line between Freemasonry and being a literal stonemason. Of course, here is where we might encounter some small debate concerning what is speculative and operative when it comes to defining the term "mason". However, I feel that that kind of debate is pointless and, to use a masonic term, is a sense object to the discussion at hand; having said this, I believe that the masonic authorities drew a line between being a "mason" (as in a "Freemason") and a mason (as in a literal stone mason). They also demonstrated by using the oldest manuscripts on hand, that there was also an allegorical interpretation that this ancient craft of stone masons believed in and adhered to and taught their followers concerning the tools of their craft and the objects that the tools would be making. However; there are a few of the older fathers of masonry who reluctantly admit that Freemasonry could not be considered any older then the 1700's because they found no conclusive evidence that proved this to be true. In conclusion; I do find that the evidence the fathers of freemasonry provided (and by fathers, I mean the folks who helped assemble the Freemasonic constitution in the 1700's) demonstrate that there was a group of stonemasons who had adopted an allegorical approach to their tools and the objects they created with their tools AND also believed many of the same things that Freemasonry believes today. However; I have also discovered old manuscripts dating from about the same time as the ancient manuscripts the fathers of Freemasonry revealed, speaking about an ancient esoteric order that went as far back as Antiquity! They called for a universal spiritual and cultural reformation across the continent of Europe. ...This esoteric order called themselves the Rosicrucians; the "old manuscripts" of which I refer to are called the "Rosicrucian Manifestos"... As this is a fairly new and interesting development in my studies at the moment, I will continue exploring this vein and come back with my findings when I find something conclusive. Cheers!
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AMORC
Nov 10, 2016 1:36:44 GMT
Post by mindfull5 on Nov 10, 2016 1:36:44 GMT
Hi. I have recently joined AMORC, I am really dissapointed with being a neophyte. There is a no discusion of the subjects with real people, you just recieve "lessons" in the post. Also, I have learnt more at the local spiritualist church and on a Brahma Kumaris meditation course. How can I quit my membership and join a local masonic lodge without knowing a free mason? My local lodge has a Rose Croix chapter. Would that be beneficial? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. You can call or go online at the Rosicrucian web sight and get a list of members near you who are part of a Pronaos, Chapter, or lodge near you.
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AMORC
Nov 10, 2016 22:39:16 GMT
Post by peter2 on Nov 10, 2016 22:39:16 GMT
I think Paulos is long gone.
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AMORC
Nov 28, 2016 8:08:52 GMT
Post by custos on Nov 28, 2016 8:08:52 GMT
Hi Gevers1 I am a member of AMORC for some time (about 13 years) and have a few Freemason friends who I've conversed with at length who are also members of AMORC so I might be able to give some insight. AMORC is similar to FM as a traditional initiatic Order. Whereas FM is "speculative", so is AMORC, while it is also "operative" in the sense that it presents a study of Natural and Universal Spiritual Laws which members are encouraged to apply in daily living. AMORC is essentially a Mystical Order that promotes the idea of achieving a direct connection with the Divine through experential knowledge rather than relying on "blind faith" alone. The Order investigates, studies and presents the application of what may be termed the "Sacred Sciences" of the "Mystery Schools" of old. Attunement, Self discovery as well as self development are therefore important aspects of the tradition. The Order's ultimate aim - The upliftment of humanity through individual and collective efforts by attaining what they call "The Mastery of Life". This is an unfolding process of Knowledge of Self (hence the term "Know Thyself" inscribed above the portal of the temple of Apollo at Delphi in ancient Greece). There are dues fees same as in FM which are relatively affordable in order to cover the running costs of the org. The ritualistic style is similar to Freemasonry since there were earlier ties between the two orgs but the rituals are entirely different. AMORC has two modes of study: written and oral tradition (oral being older). All members receive written form and all members receive the right, in due course, to attend a Lodge in their area to participate in the oral tradition. The Order is active in almost every country in the free world, with Grand Lodges operating under various jurisdictions in more than 16 languages. In order to be considered truly initiated into the Order a member has to have taken the 1st degree initiation in a Lodge. Degrees or "grade" titles are similar to SRIA and GD due to them all having some historical connection to the "Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross" (Orden des Gold-und Rosenkreutz) founded in Germany the 1750s by Freemason and alchemist Hermann Fichtuld. This Order also has roots based on the writings of ‘Sincerus Renatus’ and possible even older sources. Although this Order dealt with physical and spiritual alchemy, AMORC, like SRIA, focuses primarily on spiritual alchemy with the addition of practical experiments and exercises which are meant to bring about an internal transformation of the base elements in human nature into a more refined or "higher" state of consciousness (the "bringing forth of the Stone") AMORC admits men and women, regardless of race, color or creed. It is non-sectarian and apolitical, although it does encourage it's members to make positive contributions towards the betterment of society in whichever profession they are engaged. Like Freemasonry AMORC requires the candidate to believe in the existence of a Higher Intelligence (God, Divine Mind, GAOTU) although it is not a religion. AMORC does not practice theurgy or ceremonial magic of any kind. It does deal with the application of natural law which might seem like magic to the uninitiated but it is more of a "spiritual science" (the understanding and application of natural and spiritual laws - hence the term "Sacred Science"). AMORC is governed by a Supreme Council which has a Supreme Grand Lodge (SGL). The members of the SGL are composed of the Grand Masters of all the Grand Lodges worldwide. The SGL is headed by the "Imperator" (not to be confused with the Roman title "Emperor") The origin of the title Imperator is of the latin “in paro”, “which means “to prepare oneself to” or in a wider sense, “Im pero”, “the one who exercises power”. This theme is also known under another meaning: “to be master of self”, that is, “im perae sibi”. The Order's teachings are uniform in the sense that all members receive the same written and oral "curriculum" worldwide. All the degree initiations are also the same. The only "appendant body" within AMORC is the "Traditional Martinist Order" (TMO). One has to be an active member of AMORC and have taken the first degree Lodge initiation in order to become eligible to join the TMO. TMO is essentially a chivalric Order based on the esoteric teachings of the Judiac/Christian tradition. AMORC is more of a Universal spiritual "College". The "monographs" (written tradition) are updated from time to time according to latest scientific discoveries which verify ancient mystical truths. Language and writing styles are also updated so as to resonate with the "language" or thinking style of the generation in which it is presented. The written tradition does not remain static but evolves as any living organism does and must. This is an example of the application of natural law. That being said, the teachings are more than purely intellectual / theoretical and go beyond the realm of academic study. The core initiatic aspect of AMORC remains timeless since this aspect of the tradition deals with archetypal symbols and practices which appeal to that within ourselves which is timeless. There is therefore an outer and inner aspect to the Order. Those who apply what they learn access the inner aspect of the Order through their efforts. As with anything in life, one receives in equal proportion to what one puts in Every FM I've I've spoken with who belongs to both orders say that the two are complimentary. I am not a Freemason myself (not a card carrying member) but do consider myself to be one at heart, having an understanding of the inner aspects of its outer form (imho). I hope the above is of some help with regards to your question. Please feel free to ask anything else. Kind Regards Custos SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
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AMORC
Nov 12, 2017 23:23:22 GMT
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Post by Pinocchio on Nov 12, 2017 23:23:22 GMT
can anyone here tell me what AMORC is exactly? It's a garden wherein man treads. He finds a bushel of roses. They open up to him. In his stupor he crosses the line and plucks one. The rest is history. Beware of the roses. Trample them if you must... But it will not go unsettled.
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