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Post by hollandr on Mar 17, 2008 22:43:13 GMT
>I still wish to find out how Objectivists determine who deserves love. Any hints?
Do I wait in vain?
Anyone?
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Post by maat on Mar 17, 2008 23:44:24 GMT
I don't know how to define love either.
Was it that feeling of sorrow for Saddam Hussein I felt when they broadcast those pictures just prior to his demise.
Was it that profound feeling of sadness that I felt for the mother who killed her young baby.
Sometimes I think we look for definitions of love in all the wrong places.
Maat
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Post by leonardo on Mar 17, 2008 23:54:43 GMT
I don't know how to define love either. Was it that feeling of sorrow for Saddam Hussein I felt when they broadcast those pictures just prior to his demise. Was it that profound feeling of sadness that I felt for the mother who killed her young baby. Sometimes I think we look for definitions of love in all the wrong places. Maat Many would agree that Saddam would be a bad place. I think that the only place we can be sure to find love is within ourselves and once this has been accomplished we are then ready to share it with others, even the Saddam's of the world.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 18, 2008 0:01:50 GMT
My only sorrow for Saddam was not for the man, he reaped what he had sown, but that for so long he had been a buddy of the Yanks and UK when they hoped he would destroy the Theocratic Government in Iran. They even armed him and turned a blind eye to the abuses of the Baath party and the man himself.
Otherwise he deserved to hang, and he did.
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Post by Antonius on Mar 18, 2008 2:53:58 GMT
funny though how easy it is to love the nice and pretty. saddam too was a human being, and ime the ability to love him for that is directly proportional to the level of awareness we have of his crimes.
what if 'love' realy is nothing more then a familiarity to something comfortable?
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Post by maat on Mar 18, 2008 3:17:48 GMT
Otherwise he deserved to hang, and he did. ... and the fifth commandment? Do you really believe killing cures killing? Lots do. Maat
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Post by hollandr on Mar 18, 2008 3:43:39 GMT
>Do you really believe killing cures killing? Lots do. "The results of the more than 200 studies done on capital punishment are either inconclusive or adverse to the claim that it is an effective deterrent to murder. ...... Nor is there evidence that homicide rates decline or increase as states decide to reinstate or abolish the death penalty." www.deathreference.com/Bl-Ce/Capital-Punishment.htmlThe evidence would seem to indicate that murderers have little thought of punishment when they kill someone. A teenager who tried to strangle her mother and stab her father told the court that: " the voice had commanded her to kill her parents" In the case of Saddam Hussein, he looked insignifcant when caught as if the power had gone out of him Hitler had the same thing, often appearing insignificant after one of his great orations. Then we can ask if murderers are sometimes the instruments of some other intelligence
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 18, 2008 9:12:21 GMT
An executed murderer never kills a second victim. There have been cases here in the UK of a murderer, sentenced to so-called "Life" who when released after 12 years or so has killed again. That second victim would have lived had the killer been killed.
There are some who would have spared Hitler the just death he deserved. Thankfully he took that decision himself, albeit not driven by guilt or remorse but by fear or possibly out of frustration that his dream of a 1000 year Reich now lay in ruins and mostly owing to his own mistakes.
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Post by hollandr on Mar 18, 2008 10:30:45 GMT
>An executed murderer never kills a second victim.
If the murderer is possessed (voices in head) then driving out the spirit by electric shock or execution may merely move the entity on to another host which then needs to be tracked down
And we know that some crimes are contagious for example sexual abuse of children.
Perhaps we need to know more about the inner processes of inhuman crime
>Thankfully he took that decision himself,
That is rather debatable as he had apparently a number of body doubles with adjusted dental work
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Post by maat on Mar 18, 2008 21:46:43 GMT
Re Hitler.... read an in depth article recently (Nexus Magazine - 3 Parts) which stated that the bodies of the Hitlers could only have been reduced to the state they were in at a crematorium. The article went into some detail over as to how they reached this conclusion and the dental records issue was also addressed.
(Then we have all those persistent rumours of him being in Sth America some years later.)
Maat
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Post by maat on Mar 18, 2008 22:00:12 GMT
Lauderdale - I agree with you that some people should never be released. If they are a threat to society, then society must be protected from them.
I think execution is more about saving money than protection.
It is not all that long ago that the UK were lawfully executing children. And I believe this is still going on in some not so third world countries, some 'lawfully', some not. In Australia we were 'lawfully' exterminating the aboriginal population in areas we wanted cleared for mining, agriculture, etc.
Maat
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