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Post by taylorsman on Apr 10, 2005 6:29:17 GMT
Salford is a bit longer than my Cable Tow but I would love to attend as England has been my Home since 1972 and I have been for the most part very happy here.
It is good to see an Englishman who is proud of his Nationality and Heritage. If the Scots, Irish and Welsh can demonstrate their Patriotism and of course The French and the USA do so with a vigour, then so should Englishmen and those who enjoy England's hospitality.
I shall celebrate 23rd April. I would wear a Rose but I don't want to be mistaken for one of Blair's canvassers in this Election.
(No doubt some pedant will say either that St George DIDN'T exist, or that he was some foreign soldier with no actual connection with Engalnd. This matters not, it is what he symbolises that is of importance.
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Post by leonardo on Apr 10, 2005 8:23:51 GMT
St George's Day should be celebrated more by the English and others in the UK Let's face it, almost every other group of people in the UK have their own day where celebration are the norm, St Patrick's Day being just one example.
When I lived in London I rearly heard much about St George let alone noticed any parades or any sense of festivities. I'm sure this did happen but I just never witnessed it.
I agree with Steve. Real or not there is symbolism and sometimes this can be just as if not more important.
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Post by taylorsman on Apr 10, 2005 14:53:08 GMT
Unfortunately, whilst proudly celebrating being Scots, Irish or Welsh is quite in order and is done so with great gusto on 30th Nov, 1st March and 17th March, anyone commemorating St George's Day on 23rd April and flying his red and white cross is liable to be branded as a racist by the PC wallies that are all too abundant these days. I feel we SHOULD mark this day , which is also the date of the birth and death of England's great poet and playwright William Shakespeare. I have yet to encounter a member of any of the Ethnic Communities who are offended, indeed they are amazed that we do not mark our National Day as they certainly do their's even when living away from their country of origin.
As I would happily wear a rose in my lapel on 23rd April but don't wish to be mistaken for a member or supporter of Blair and his New Labour Party! (they use the red rose as their Party Symbol).
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Post by leonardo on Apr 10, 2005 17:55:38 GMT
I think Steve makes some very valid and fundamental points here.
There is certainly a fear of being charged with jingoism by certain members of the British public. I remember reading a while back, perhaps even a few years ago, about an Englishman being forced to remove his England flag that he had hanging from his window. Apparently some of his neighbours took offence and contacted the local council who immediately took action and had the man remove it.This to me seems somewhat over the top and unnecessary.
There is another incident I remember very clearly. A woman, I think it was in the London Borough of Lambeth, was asked to remove little porcelain figurines she had displayed in her window. The reason? The porcelain figurines were in the shape of pigs.
It seems some members of the community found it to be highly objectionable to have to walk past a window where little ornamental pigs could be seen from the road. Madness, total madness.
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Post by taylorsman on Apr 10, 2005 18:17:26 GMT
The problem is that we Brits are too supine. Give a man a peaked cap, or a clipboard and a job title with "Officer" in it and most will bow the knee, especially if he is from the Local Council or some other crowd of interfering Jacks in Office. Imagine this happening in France, or someone in the USA being told they couldn't fly "Old Glory" ?
Now I don't know who started "Political Correctness" what self appointed body decides what is offensive and to whom. It is the intent which matters and not the words or symbols. I have a St George's Cross (and a Union Jack) and I think I will display the former in my window on 23rd April. God help anyone who trys to make me remove it, they will learn what "Facio-Maxilliary Reconstructive Surgery" means!
I have an expression which sums up my idea of tolerance. "I will show you the way to the Mosque as soon as I have eaten my pork pie and drank my glass of wine"
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Post by a on Apr 10, 2005 18:20:33 GMT
Taylorsman My ribs ache.
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Post by leonardo on Apr 10, 2005 18:29:03 GMT
I have a St George's Cross (and a Union Jack) and I think I will display the former in my window on 23rd April. God help anyone who trys to make me remove it, they will learn what "Facio-Maxilliary Reconstructive Surgery" means! As BA from the A-Team would say "I pitty the fool"
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Post by bod on Apr 11, 2005 6:42:04 GMT
Sounds like it will be an excellent evening, and £23 is a bargain!
Hope it goes well and you all enjoy the evening.
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