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Post by taylorsman on Mar 19, 2006 19:24:02 GMT
This is alas a Hypothetical question for UGLE Brethren at this time as the next Grand Master when the Duke of Kent eventually stands down from that office will be announced to us having been chosen by the Rulers of the Craft and not by popular election of the members at large. We will not be consulted unlike in other Constitutions
However assuming you DID have a choice , whom would you vote for from the choices given above?
BTW although this would affect UGLE Brethren the views of others would be of interest.
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Post by a on Mar 19, 2006 20:03:39 GMT
although this would affect UGLE Brethren the views of others would be of interest. [/i][/quote]The choice of GM also affects those outwith UGLE, including:- 1. UGLE amity frats who may be looking to UGLE to take a particular direction. 2. Non UGLE amity frats who may experience either a growing or a decline in mutual getting along, when compared to the present. 3. Ex-UGLE Freemasons who may choose to come back into the fold if a new beginning takes place. 4. The public at large in terms of potential members who may either be encouraged or discouraged. Whoever takes on the role will certainly have their hands full dealing with a number of strategic issues. If I were in a position to vote Taylorsman I would be right beside you voting for Lord Northampton. But LN could be quite a busy chap over the coming years as (I hope) he turns UGLE around. It may need someone else to take the GM role to do all the external relations work enabling LN to sort out the internal issues. Which I guess, given UGLEs rules, would mean someone with royal blood. Alternatively LN could take on responsibility for it all but who then has the inspiration and insight to take over/support his sterling work in terms of generating thought and gently guiding from within eg at Cornerstone? There is so much work to do that it may be a bit much asking one man to do it all. Mark my words here Taylorsman, UGLE is at perhaps the most important critical point for at least a couple of hundred years. The new GM will have his job cut out for him.
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Post by taylorsman on Mar 19, 2006 20:28:34 GMT
Stewart, as far as I am aware there is no RULE in UGLE's B of C that the GM has to be Royal or have Royal Connections and indeed most have not been "Princes of the Blood Royal" if you look back down the list. Some of the early ones were only "Esquires" not even Nobilty.
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Post by giovanni on Mar 19, 2006 22:10:39 GMT
Lord Northampton, doubtless.
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Post by waynecowley on Mar 20, 2006 13:08:59 GMT
I agree - and of course, if Lord N does get the top job then there will be no ProGM as that office only exists if the GM is a Prince of the Blood Royal so if he doesn't (and a non-Prince gets it) he's out of a job
Wayne
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Post by rbartlett on Apr 1, 2006 5:02:10 GMT
Only one man up for this job
Bro. Jim Davidson
S&F
Richard
ps -It say's I'm not allowed to vote on this poll -It's a bloody fix !!
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Post by staffs on Apr 1, 2006 7:06:41 GMT
Although Jim Davidson is an acquired taste for some there can be no doubt of the time and effort that he dedicates to charity work and much at his own expense and does shedloads of free work fundraising for the British armed Forces Charity that is obviously his favourite. i was once informed that he covers his own expenses on these trips and functions and is a very charitable brother. Sorry Steve but JD gets my vote here. although seriously it has to be Lord Northampton .
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 1, 2006 8:29:41 GMT
Well nobody has asked me, but if they did I would have to say no. Taylorsman would have a coronary. ;D
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Post by taylorsman on Apr 1, 2006 9:22:28 GMT
Taylorsman would then shift to Grand Lodge of Scotland as regards Craft and RA, even if he could only fly up there a couple of times each year.
As for Jim Davidson, his name came up in conversation at FB after OSM last night. The general opinion, which concurs with my own on this, was that the bad publicity he brought The Craft did us a lot more harm in the public perception than any good he may have done us. I understand that he is no longer active in Freemasonry and to be honest I would not want him as a Joining Member of my Lodge. I don't even like his type of "humour" but that, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by a on Apr 1, 2006 9:36:11 GMT
I remember once being told on a tour of GQS, if my memory serves me correctly, that no one wanted the job so they were at a loss as to who would be the next GM.
Assuming this is accurate then it does raise a number of questions, like why does no one want the job?
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Post by giovanni on Apr 1, 2006 9:43:27 GMT
I remember once being told on a tour of GQS, if my memory serves me correctly, that no one wanted the job so they were at a loss as to who would be the next GM. Assuming this is accurate then it does raise a number of questions, like why does no one want the job? No liars?
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Post by taylorsman on Apr 1, 2006 10:42:12 GMT
Just before I go off to Tyle for my London Lodge this afternoon I would say that there are plenty of Brethren who would love to do the job but they will never be asked and unlike Scotland I don't think they can put their name forward and be chosen for the position by a proper election by the generality of members rather than rubber stamped from a choice of one name.
The field is therefore very restricted and I am sure there are those in a position to make the Nomination (and thereby choose the next GM) who still desire that a Coburg Prince fills the role.
I would still like to see Lord Northampton, although if an untitled Commoner is desired the current Grand Secretary might be a choice given the recent article about him in "Freemasonry Today". I understand that he is a good Ritualist.
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Post by a on Apr 1, 2006 11:22:10 GMT
I have a great deal of sympathy for whoever takes on the responsibility at this time, for their leadership and the actions of UGLE members in response to it will I think determine whether UGLE reilluminates and maintains a lead position in the wider Masonic world, or whether history shows it as being finally confirmed to being an exclusive social club with the real Freemasonry to be largely found elsewhere.
Whoever takes the role has a unique and huge responsibility. I watch with interest.
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Post by mike on Apr 1, 2006 13:18:45 GMT
I thought about this one so that I could give an honest answer. I have finally voted for "another PM".
I would like to see the next GM be someone who has a "balanced" knowledge of Freemasonry, neither to the Esoteric nor the Fellowship but dead down the middle who is more than familiar with both and understanding the balance required.
A man who exemplifies the Moral lessons that we are taught in our Ritual. This being a man who, while neither famous or rich puts, into practise on a daily basis Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth and not just to his Brothers but to the community in which he lives.
A man who when mentioned amongst a group of strangers, an elderly person will say "he held a door open for me yesterday" or "when I was down he tried to lift me" even though he doesn't know me and I have nothing to offer in return.
A man who wins smiles from strangers while walking down an unfamiliar street.
In short, a man who to all outward appearances is a Mason.
M
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 1, 2006 23:35:22 GMT
Maybe I have a chance after all then.
Wonder what the weather is like in Scotland.
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Post by taylorsman on Apr 2, 2006 10:23:33 GMT
A bit colder then Essex in Edinburgh, or wetter if you are on the Western Side with Ruff and the Weegies.
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