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Post by whistler on Feb 15, 2005 18:07:00 GMT
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Post by middlepillar on Feb 15, 2005 21:06:52 GMT
Whistler I see your having more luck getting answers over on TFM, but then again you didnt throw in the Rugby Did You? ;D Out of interest, In martinism the units are called Heptads, because you need seven members, the other interesting number is 3 because once you get 21 members it becomes a Lodge (3 x 7 ) And once you are big enough to form a Lodge it is expected that you should form another heptad. BTW I thought the English were pretty good at sevens ;D ;D
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Post by staffs on Feb 15, 2005 22:31:52 GMT
Three rule a lodge,five hold a lodge seven or more make a perfevt lodge.
The three who rule a lodge are the master and his two wardens the five who hold a lodge are the master,two wardens and two fellowcrafts.The seven who make a perfect lodge are two EAs added to the former five.
Second DTB
And Whistler i am serious thinking about editing your post about the rugby link ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jumile on Feb 15, 2005 23:55:01 GMT
Isn't the answer to this also in the EA Lecture?
Bearing in mind my understanding is that the EA Lecture isn't in common use at an Initation (anymore?), I noticed recently how it's interesting that an EA is supposed to talk about a "just, perfect and regular" lodge in his Passing catechism when the masonic meanings of those 3 words are actually explained to him at a later point. Why is that?
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Post by waynecowley on Feb 16, 2005 8:19:36 GMT
Bearing in mind my understanding is that the EA Lecture isn't in common use at an Initation (anymore?), I noticed recently how it's interesting that an EA is supposed to talk about a "just, perfect and regular" lodge in his Passing catechism when the masonic meanings of those 3 words are actually explained to him at a later point. Why is that? Regrettably you are right - in 6 years I have probably seen the 1st TB less than half a dozen times. A shame because there are many things in there that make other ceremonies make far more sense if they have been explained. Wayne
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Post by staffs on Feb 16, 2005 8:30:53 GMT
matt,a just lodge is made by the VSL unfolded.Perfect by seven or more regularly made masons and regular by the cgarter or warrant of constitution.
At our last meeting we performed thr first lecture of the first degree.
Matt if you dont have it i can send you a copy
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Post by Michael on Feb 16, 2005 9:15:24 GMT
Staffs, two posts without a mention of rugby... Thank you
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Post by leonardo on Feb 16, 2005 10:49:28 GMT
Is the assumption here that a lodge needs only seven or so ???members? If this is the case I am somewhat baffled as I always thought many more members were required. The more I live, the more I learn
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Post by Michael on Feb 16, 2005 11:29:01 GMT
leo,
As far as I am aware Staffs two posts are quite accurate. However here in East Lancs. any Lodge with less than 20 'active' members is being encouraged to 'think about their future'
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Post by bod on Feb 16, 2005 12:07:07 GMT
There is a difference between how many members make a functioning lodge, and how many members are required to 'form' a lodge.
Staffs answer refers to the traditional 'forming' of a lodge, and not to how many members are needed to keep a lodge functioning.
It must be difficult for a non-mason to understand - all the more reason for you to be initiated Leo! ;D ;D
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Post by leonardo on Feb 16, 2005 14:04:56 GMT
It must be difficult for a non-mason to understand - all the more reason for you to be initiated Leo! ;D ;D Boy have you got that right - on both counts Seriously I do now understand much better what you're on about. Thanks mainly to an e-mail I received just recently. But thanks to everyone for your patience with me.
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Post by whistler on Feb 17, 2005 9:30:53 GMT
Whistler I see your having more luck getting answers over on TFM, but then again you didnt throw in the Rugby Did You? ;D I just went on a gentle fishing expedition - Boy did I catch the sharks.. I think my problem over there is my sense of humour isn't about body parts, body functions, or women which seems to be the main stay of their Jokes Threads It isn't even a big deal, I just like Rugby... I also like Masonry and joking aside thinking back to playing days, the whole brotherhood aspect of supporting your friends, having confidence in ones own ability, respect for ones leaders _ can see a lot of Masonic Values. Even getting a little Pi.....d after a game with ones mates , could be like attending a Festive Board.
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Post by middlepillar on Feb 17, 2005 9:47:06 GMT
Whistler I just went on a gentle fishing expedition - Boy did I catch the sharks.. I think my problem over there is my sense of humour isn't about body parts, body functions, or women which seems to be the main stay of their Jokes Threads It isn't even a big deal, I just like Rugby... I also like Masonry and joking aside thinking back to playing days, the whole brotherhood aspect of supporting your friends, having confidence in ones own ability, respect for ones leaders _ can see a lot of Masonic Values. Even getting a little Pi.....d after a game with ones mates , could be like attending a Festive Board. Whistler When are you going to learn
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Post by bod on Feb 17, 2005 12:21:57 GMT
I really don't know why you do it Bro Whistler, you post some really good and interesting stuff and then deliberately antagonise them - have to ask why?
Doesn't strike me as considerate or respectful - not that either are essential for posting to the internet, but it does make things much more pleasant for all concerned.
Plus it makes it really difficult for those of us who support you over there when things like that happen.
Anyhoo - New Zealand coach Graham Henry is baffled by England's losing performances in the Six Nations so far. "It surprises me that all that depth of talent in England hasn't come through onto the international scene," he said.
He also thinks his former team Wales are in with a chance of winning the Grand Slam, but knows next week's clash against France will be crucial.
"They should be extremely pleased with their start. France will be confident, but the Welsh have got a good chance."
Henry, preparing for the arrival of the British and Irish Lions in New Zealand in the summer, acknowledged that Ireland are the favourites, but does not understand why England are not pushing them close.
"Against the French they should have won by 20 points, but didn't do the business kicking, but they were certainly the better side," he said.
Of Wales' match against France, he added: "The French will have got some confidence from their two wins so far even though they haven't played well."
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Post by whistler on Feb 17, 2005 18:36:39 GMT
Sorry Bod, I think it is just a cultural difference between the hemispheres, Down here If somebody slips a one liner in that is not rude, and doesn't make fun of the disadvantaged, we would just chuckle probably say "Good one" We have beer billboards all over town with one liners Local Tui Breweries run competitions and from their web site Last months winners "Jill Batterill from Wellington, with - Make mine a Salad Combo - Yeah Right Michelle Burstall from avondale with - I've met this really fantastic chick on the internet - Yeah Right Perhaps I could add - The Mod Likes Me to Post - Yeah Right If any Kiwi's had been suckered in over the 7's thing they would have chuckled probably called me a smart Bastard, and moved on. I really can't imagine a Kiwi moaning that I had ruined his evening. Also Bod Respect is a funny old word, somebody who feels the need to be respected may just be a little insecure. It is far better simply to be accepted for the person you are, warts and all. HGW
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Post by middlepillar on Feb 17, 2005 23:59:47 GMT
Whistler I respect you warts and all ;D Though I do have a problem with your Rugby allegencies
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Post by whistler on Feb 18, 2005 1:08:14 GMT
Whistler I respect you warts and all ;D Though I do have a problem with your Rugby allegencies Now there is a thought Clive will be bringing a team of Lawyers out with the Lions - wonder if there will be 7 lawyers..mmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by bod on Feb 18, 2005 1:32:42 GMT
Whistler, I do love you like a brother - warts 'n all, I just think this is a better place for you to be warty! You should save your truley handsome side for over there and impress upon them what a good mason you really are. And as a welshman I have to say a big thank you for the loan of Graham - it did us the power of good and I hope Mike Ruddock will build on it. That way the next RWC will have red ribbons on it!
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Post by Jumile on Feb 18, 2005 1:40:31 GMT
Red ribbons? You want to lay off the cider, mate. ;D
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Post by Trinityman on Feb 18, 2005 7:05:07 GMT
I do think we're trampling over old ground here. There are so many of us who post on both forums that phrases like them and us are quite meaningless and only serve to perpetuate division.
Whistler - if you're going to bait certain individuals who only post on the other forum that's up to you, but don't expect me to join in, and don't be surprised if it all kicks off.
And I'd also prefer it if you stopped talking about rugby for a while ;D ;D ;D
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