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Post by hollandr on Oct 23, 2007 0:44:57 GMT
There are the usual connotations of:
- a device (knotted rope) used by tradesmen to generate right angles - the reputed Egyptian practice of assigning Osiris, Isis and Horus to the 3,4,5 triangle
But the most important meaning may be revealed by the choice of bearer for the 47th proposition. Why if so important is the 47th proposition attached to the IPM? What does the IPM have in common with the meaning of the 47th proposition?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Oct 23, 2007 10:54:50 GMT
Greetings Russel, There are the usual connotations of: - a device (knotted rope) used by tradesmen to generate right angles - the reputed Egyptian practice of assigning Osiris, Isis and Horus to the 3,4,5 triangle But the most important meaning may be revealed by the choice of bearer for the 47th proposition. Why if so important is the 47th proposition attached to the IPM? What does the IPM have in common with the meaning of the 47th proposition? Cheers Russell 3 + 4 + 5 = 12 The triangulation of 12 = 12°°° = 78 3 x 4 x 5 = 60/60°? 3°°° = 6 4°°° = 10 5°°° = 15 ------------- 12 or 31 Any ideas?
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Post by hollandr on Oct 23, 2007 12:18:03 GMT
>Any ideas?
It reminds me of Mouni Sadhu's Tarot but it is not the same
I wonder if it is about energetic or intelligence interactions.
For example does the 3+4+5=12 refer to the aggregative interaction of the animal kingdom, human kingdom and trans-human kingdom being sufficient to stablise the dense manifestations of the 12 creative hierarchies of the zodiac - for example in the formation of a planet?
With the 3x4x5=60/60 indicating that the cooperative product of the animal kingdom, human kingdom and trans-human kingdom produces a 6th part (60 degrees) of the temple in the local heavens
Is it perhaps Pythagorean (and qabalistic) in the sense of the aliveness of the numbers.
Do you want to give a source or context?
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Post by sid on Oct 23, 2007 22:18:55 GMT
>Any ideas? It reminds me of Mouni Sadhu's Tarot but it is not the same I wonder if it is about energetic or intelligence interactions. For example does the 3+4+5=12 refer to the aggregative interaction of the animal kingdom, human kingdom and trans-human kingdom being sufficient to stablise the dense manifestations of the 12 creative hierarchies of the zodiac - for example in the formation of a planet? With the 3x4x5=60/60 indicating that the cooperative product of the animal kingdom, human kingdom and trans-human kingdom produces a 6th part (60 degrees) of the temple in the local heavens Is it perhaps Pythagorean (and qabalistic) in the sense of the aliveness of the numbers. Do you want to give a source or context? I don't have a source other than my interest in numbers etc. I believe there is a relation between the 3,4,5 and the square together being linked to the circle. 30 + 40 + 50 = 120 Half of 30 is 15 Half of 40 is 20 Half of 50 is 25 -------------------- 120 to 60 and add 1+5+2+0+2+5 = 15 the triangulation of which will give you 120. We have been reminded to remember the numbers 120° & 60° which will give us the 'diamond' shape of 2 triangles joined 'above' and 'below' together. Is this not the mark of the MM upon his chair that is also on one of the plates of Khunrath? The secret places of the Lion, where the 'above' is joined/reunited to the 'below'. They are not the same, i.e., the front and back parts of the lion. Back to Egypt
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Post by hollandr on Oct 23, 2007 23:44:13 GMT
What is the process referred to as triangulation? For example how does triangulating 12 give 78?
I can get 78 from 90-12 but how do I get from 12 to 90?
And my understanding of the secret places of the Lion is not a matter of geometry but rather of intelligences such as the one with the lion's paw.
The diamond shape with the 60 degrees is, according to Chris Knight, a reference to the angle between sun risings and settings at Jerusalem
But the diamond light as it appears on this planet may well take that shape in some manifestations
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Oct 24, 2007 21:30:26 GMT
Greetings Russel, What is the process referred to as triangulation? For example how does triangulating 12 give 78? I can get 78 from 90-12 but how do I get from 12 to 90? And my understanding of the secret places of the Lion is not a matter of geometry but rather of intelligences such as the one with the lion's paw. The diamond shape with the 60 degrees is, according to Chris Knight, a reference to the angle between sun risings and settings at Jerusalem But the diamond light as it appears on this planet may well take that shape in some manifestations Cheers Russell As an example: The triangulation of the number 4 = 10 i.e., 1+2+3+4 = 10 and 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13 = 91 The triangulation of the number 36 will give you 666, which has absolutly nothing to do with the sillyness that has been written about this number.
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Post by hollandr on Oct 25, 2007 2:40:48 GMT
>The triangulation of the number 4 = 10 i.e., 1+2+3+4 = 10
Sid
Where I come from that would be called summation of a series. There is a formula for the calculation
I am still a bit mystified by the context of your original question
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Post by sid on Oct 25, 2007 13:37:06 GMT
>The triangulation of the number 4 = 10 i.e., 1+2+3+4 = 10 Sid Where I come from that would be called summation of a series. There is a formula for the calculation I am still a bit mystified by the context of your original question I was just responding to your post in the hope of finding a link between the numbers and the 47th problem. I have the simple formula to triangulate numbers. Perhaps the use of the word 'triangulation' is from the German, I don't know. Here 3 dots are written next to a/the number i.e., 13°°° = 91
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Post by hollandr on Oct 25, 2007 21:54:11 GMT
>a link between the numbers and the 47th problem
I think the 47th proposition has 3 meanings in Masonry:
- the use of a knotted rope to make a right angle - the Egyptian use of the 3,4,5 triangle to refer to Osiris (imitated by Lazarus), Isis (the Widow) and Horus (Lord of Light) - a reference to the artificial placement of our Moon by our ancient operative brethren (which conceals the multiple of the numbers 1 to 7 and therefore the sequence 3,4,5)
The last is why the IPM in some traditions is associated with the Moon
Cheers
Russell
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