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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 6:29:58 GMT
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Post by vtmason on Nov 27, 2007 12:17:06 GMT
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 14:13:56 GMT
This post has been removed deliberately since it appears that fair treatment is not available here
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 17:21:01 GMT
Why so critical. It is an important message and i am going to do what I can to get it out. There really is no need to be so hostile, I am not going for a pulitzer. Sorry to dissapoint you.
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 17:27:04 GMT
Why so critical. It is an important message and i am going to do what I can to get it out. There really is no need to be so hostile, I am not going for a pulitzer. Sorry to dissapoint you. Since it is a blog, how about writing your own personal vision of the "future of Freemasonry" for our erudition?
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 17:32:52 GMT
This post has been removed deliberately since it appears that fair treatment is not available here
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Post by leonardo on Nov 27, 2007 17:55:05 GMT
Perhaps what was copied and pasted made the point Bro. Brad wanted to make on it's own and he doesn't feel it necessary to add anything to it at this stage?
Brothers please bare in mind a persons blog is their own affair and what they wish to include in it entirely down to them.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 18:04:19 GMT
Perhaps what was copied and pasted made the point Bro. Brad wanted to make on it's own and he doesn't feel it necessary to add anything to it at this stage? Brothers please bare in mind a persons blog is their own affair and what they wish to include in it entirely down to them. Thank you Leo, I saw no point in reinventing the wheel on that topic.
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 18:20:51 GMT
I made a simple request as to your personal views on the future of Freemasonry. How can that be construed as being antagonistic in any way? I would assume that you, or those whom you associate with, have such a vision? If so, I would be interested in hearing it. All I have read so far is that the present GL system is corrupt and that the new approach will solve all ills. In what way? Will universal harmony prevail if we all abandon our established traditions? Should we hold hands and sing Kumbyah? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 18:53:27 GMT
I made a simple request as to your personal views on the future of Freemasonry. How can that be construed as being antagonistic in any way? I would assume that you, or those whom you associate with, have such a vision? If so, I would be interested in hearing it. All I have read so far is that the present GL system is corrupt and that the new approach will solve all ills. In what way? Will universal harmony prevail if we all abandon our established traditions? Should we hold hands and sing Kumbyah? Inquiring minds want to know. You have made it clear on this forum (and especially others) what your take is. I do have to ask why you would really be interested? If you are, I have no problem and I will be eager to discuss. If not, I have time better suited elsewhere.
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 19:28:46 GMT
You have made it clear on this forum (and especially others) what your take is. I do have to ask why you would really be interested? If you are, I have no problem and I will be eager to discuss. If not, I have time better suited elsewhere. It is up to you to respond or not. It is not just for my own edification, but for the benifit of all who are on this forum.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 20:01:35 GMT
On the topic of the Grand Orient Of The USA the blog I posted does for now. It captures my feelings on the subject just fine. I do plan on posting a blog about the Colt's season on Monday and another on Hanukkah shopping so stay tuned.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 27, 2007 20:07:54 GMT
I would assume that you, or those whom you associate with, have such a vision? If so, I would be interested in hearing it. From Wikipedia: Vision: Defines where the organization wants to be in the future. It reflects the optimistic view of the organization's future. Brad's Blog sounds like a Vision Statement to me and is more elaborate than most. I especially like his outline of beliefs: We hold true to these beliefs:* That all human beings are endowed with certain inalienable rights* That peace and harmony among human beings is only possible where there exists a separation between church and state* That absolute freedom of conscience is an essential element in the pursuit of happiness among all peoples* That all human beings are created equal and that equality is fundamental to democracy and freedom.
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Post by negredo on Nov 27, 2007 20:13:41 GMT
Because many of your posts are short declarations of authority with no detail, we only assume that you gather what you agree with and repost it. Certainly many posts you have do this.
If one has so much power to arrogantly declare entire systems as corrupt, he should know something about that system. But your posts do not show this and, with this recent blog, it shows that you do not speak with your own mind.
THis, is I believe, against all tenets of the Freemasonry.
It is also very helpful to format the text because a giant block of text is hard to read. This is why in nearly every language the convention of creating paragraphs has been created. It will help you communicate better in your native language and therefore help your cause.
That is nice and they may be beliefs he shares with the group, but he did not write, express or outline them.
We are asking him, because he has such strong opinions to back them up since he never does and has a friend in you to defend him always and get him off the hook. We are asking our friend here to finally be a leader and not a mouthpiece for the ideas of others. A leader and not a faithful servant of the wind that changes directions always.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 20:26:10 GMT
Because many of your posts are short declarations of authority with no detail, we only assume that you gather what you agree with and repost it. Certainly many posts you have do this. If one has so much power to arrogantly declare entire systems as corrupt, he should know something about that system. But your posts do not show this and, with this recent blog, it shows that you do not speak with your own mind. THis, is I believe, against all tenets of the Freemasonry. It is also very helpful to format the text because a giant block of text is hard to read. This is why in nearly every language the convention of creating paragraphs has been created. It will help you communicate better in your native language and therefore help your cause. Thank you for the advice. Like I have stated before, think what you will of me. You can think that I don't use my opwn mind, or better yet that I don't have one. Whatever makes you happy. God Bless, Brad
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 20:45:38 GMT
I especially like his outline of beliefs: We hold true to these beliefs:* That all human beings are endowed with certain inalienable rights* That peace and harmony among human beings is only possible where there exists a separation between church and state* That absolute freedom of conscience is an essential element in the pursuit of happiness among all peoples* That all human beings are created equal and that equality is fundamental to democracy and freedom. This is a paraphrase of the Declaration of Independance,with elements from Thomas Jeffersons letter to the Danberry Baptists and the Constitution. The same as when they were the "United Grand Lodge of America", although in that case they plagerised almost the entire document of the Declaration inserting "Masonry" and "Masonic" occasionally. I had kept an open mind up until I read that. That's when it became clear that there was little substance behind the symbolism. His reluctance to post anything of substance is telling in and of itself. Lofty ideals are fine, real world workability is another matter.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 27, 2007 22:04:52 GMT
Guys this is getting a bit one sided.
Nobody start off knowing how to write and construct a book - blog - or web site. It takes time.
There is only one post on the blog, OK its copied, But there are no rules of copyright that stops him from doing so from that source. You may wish to argue the content of the source.
Now I don't agree with the principle and the method of the creation of this new GL. But they and devout have the right to express their opinions.
I have a blog, but I am not telling you lot where it is.
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 22:37:58 GMT
No one has a problem with him having a blog, more power to him. I just asked if he could give us his personal views on the subject, no more, no less. Either here, or on his blog is fine. Why is that so complicated?
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 27, 2007 22:44:01 GMT
Its not.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 28, 2007 8:50:16 GMT
We are asking him, because he has such strong opinions to back them up since he never does and has a friend in you to defend him always and get him off the hook. We are asking our friend here to finally be a leader and not a mouthpiece for the ideas of others. A leader and not a faithful servant of the wind that changes directions always. I have not always defended Bro. Brad and have had occasion to express my disappointment. You describe him as "our friend"— more than that he is our Brother and we should all welcome any opportunity where we can honestly and sincerely "get him off the hook," rather than "bait" him. I see no reason why he has to express himself under your terms. If Brad fully endorses what he posts, then they are his beliefs, whether or not he was the first to write them. After all, we are discussing Freemasonry not creative writing.
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