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Post by Gimel on Mar 4, 2009 17:20:44 GMT
I would like hearing your thoughts about the "transmutation of sexual energy."
I have read several theories on this and would like to hear other folks on the site's opinion. To me, it really boils down to whether or not seminal fluid can even be sublimated back up to the brian (and not just absorbed by the body) AND if there are any merits to seminal fluid having this ability to "awaken the chakras?"
It is really a polarizing notion. Either you think it is total rubbish or there's merit.
Cheers!
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Post by maat on Mar 5, 2009 4:32:22 GMT
Merit by all accounts. I'm on the run right now and will try and source some book titles for you to follow up on. In the meantime do some searches on Kundalini yoga.
This is probably the source of the notion that sex is evil. Woman, the temptress ! gets tarred with the same brush. Hrmph.
Maat
PS Why do you think monks, nuns are celibate?
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Post by Gimel on Mar 5, 2009 14:53:19 GMT
Thanks Maat. I have done some research on Kundalini Yoga but will revisit the subject. Typical me, I am looking for some scratch of scientific studies that show some veracity to this. Not necessarily regarding Charkras, awakening, etc., I guess for me more information on whether semen has these properties.
I know this is a subject many would not touch with a ten foot pole! My mind is always roaming I guess.
Thanks again,
Gimel
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Post by maat on Mar 6, 2009 0:10:48 GMT
;D ;D ;D Maat And a roaming mind is to be greatly admired, much sexier than roaming hands - imo. I'm old now I can get away with saying such things ... I think ;D |
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Post by maat on Mar 6, 2009 0:13:56 GMT
I have a book in my library at home called "From Jesus to Christ" (from memory) ... I had a quick look for it last night but it is hiding from me. Will look for it over the weekend. It tells you exactly how and what happens.
Will get back to you on this one.
Please note a normal sex life is fine - it is only when we squander out treasure that we end up divested of all metals and valuables.
Maat
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Post by paulh on Mar 6, 2009 2:20:49 GMT
The fundamental transformation is moving the creative energies from the sacral chakra to the throat chakra.
You can often tell whether this has been accomplished by the qualities of voice. For example a husky or sexy voice indicates the creative energies need to be raised further.
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Post by Gimel on Mar 6, 2009 13:37:59 GMT
Hmmm....so my boss' squeaky, shrill, high-pitched voice might be a good thing?
Kidding.....Paulh, that is very interesting. Not to be cute about this but what are the vocal qualities of someone who has raised their creative energies?
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Post by Gimel on Mar 6, 2009 13:43:32 GMT
Paulh, are you saying the "fundamental transformation" occurs through sexual transmutation? Are there other ways? IMO, I am convinced the Book of Revelation, for example, exudes so many references to awakening all chakras and moving energy up the spinal column.
For me, the problem is how...I have read so many different opinions on this. Kundalini Yoga, a Gnostic movement that says you should NEVER "spill the seed," white tantra, to those who say simply meditate, etc.
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Post by maximus on Mar 6, 2009 16:29:31 GMT
You can often tell whether this has been accomplished by the qualities of voice. For example a husky or sexy voice indicates the creative energies need to be raised further. Stevie Nicks blows that theory out of the water.  |
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Post by vadro on Mar 6, 2009 20:22:28 GMT
I would like hearing your thoughts about the "transmutation of sexual energy." I have read several theories on this and would like to hear other folks on the site's opinion. To me, it really boils down to whether or not seminal fluid can even be sublimated back up to the brian (and not just absorbed by the body) AND if there are any merits to seminal fluid having this ability to "awaken the chakras?" It is really a polarizing notion. Either you think it is total rubbish or there's merit. Cheers! IMO this post explicitly exclude the the women in the transmutation of Sexual Energy theory, as we are talking about seminal fluid. My question would be how the ladies, if ever, convoy the sexual Energy? Now, If now we agree that both sex can transform the sexual energy, can these energies interfere in the Masonic work carried out into a Lodge? This is not by any means a provocation, I am genuinely interested in this topic, as this probably involves the Kundalini Yoga, Charkras, etc. Cheers. |
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Post by paulh on Mar 6, 2009 23:14:30 GMT
what are the vocal qualities of someone who has raised their creative energies? The more complete the consciousness the more complete the voice. Was it Pythagoras who was recorded as saying to a new student standing before him something like: Say something so I can see you? So the limited consciousness has a narrower range of vibration in the voice. If you listen carefully to people's voices you will soon detect those without a full range of tones And according to my understanding of Tomatis, it is not possible to have tones in the voice unless those tonings can be heard by the speaker. That is, if the human's ear is insensitive to particular tones then those tones cannot appear in the voice. Tomatis trained the ear to listen more extensively. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_TomatisIt is probably not very useful to consider the transformation in question as primarily sexual. It might be better to consider the transfer of the creative focus from a lower to a higher chakra |
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Post by Gimel on Mar 7, 2009 13:13:52 GMT
Excellent post. That's just it. I do not see the transformation as primarily sexual, but a "tool" along with meditation. What are other tools?
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Post by paulh on Mar 7, 2009 23:12:01 GMT
I do not see the transformation as primarily sexual, but a "tool" along with meditation. What are other tools? The transfer of energy and focus occurs on several levels. On the denser levels, straightening out the spine is important. Many humans have tense muscles that pull vertebrae out of alignment. This is commonly related to sub-planes out of alignment so that the energies do not flow smoothly from the higher to the lower. At the simplest level: the candidate should stand upright. Typically the lower chakra has improper influences anchored in it, seeking a source of sustenance, control or vicarious experience. Those influences may not wish to see the life focus moved to a higher chakra. To distract the human, the influences may exaggerate the intensity of sexual and other desires. At the simplest level the candidate therefore needs to lead an upright life dedicated to the greater good. The candidate may also have given away or taken chakra substance to or from another human. That situation makes it difficult to be "one's own man" or to have right relationships. Untutored means for resolving this may take lifetimes. Focused intent may take minutes. Shifting the energy focus is accelerated by intent and attention. For example, moving the body awareness to the chakra to be accelerated. Invocation of blessings from on high are useful here. More fundamentally, the shift of focus depends upon ability to control the lower energies so that they do not overly influence consciousness. This can be achieved by practice of the usual virtues. (Virtuous activities use higher sub-plane substance whilst vicious activities use lower sub-plane substance.) More technical means are symbolised by the Ladder of Horus/Mithra/Jacob also known as Rising on the Planes but outer teachers are still hard to find |
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Post by middlepillar on Mar 8, 2009 15:40:03 GMT
To all of those members participating in this thread.
I have deleted Keiths post. It goes completely against what this Forum stands for, I leave it up to Andy if he wishes to edit his response alnog with PaulH.
I have warned Keith about his future participation in this section, on behalf of MFoL I apologise to you all. Please continue to enjoy your discussion.
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Post by paulh on Mar 9, 2009 7:18:03 GMT
If now we agree that both sex can transform the sexual energy, can these energies interfere in the Masonic work carried out into a Lodge? Again I think it is more useful to think in terms of creative energies. Obviously those can be precipitated downwards in physical sexuality but equally it is possible (but perhaps less common) simultaneously to project the energies upwards in a form of communion between the partners. The issue here is that humans are said to have Adam Kadmon type bodies - that is they have a full set of sephira available. This joining of two AK bodies through multiple sephira both facilitates the individuals functioning within higher sephira and also allows some degree of precipitation from on high into the Earth and/or the human race and other kingdoms. The determination of "regular" Masonry to be without such options may be considered in the Temple in the Heavens to constitute an unfortunate irregularity. For example I have seen husband and wife deacons perform admirably on higher levels. Equally I recall seeing a European (white) wife and an Indian (red) husband invoke a joint blessing upon an incoming Master that seemed to have distinct alchemical undertones |
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Post by ruffashlar on Mar 9, 2009 15:39:38 GMT
Either you think it is total rubbish or there's meritNo, I think there's a middle way on this. After all, look at something like alchemy, which is almost a Western analogue of the transmutation of sexual energy: in terms of its claims to be able to turn lead into gold using techniques that are the laboratory equivalent of brewing a pot of tea, alchemy is absolute bollocks. But it is evidently not simply talking about the literal transmutation of base metal to noble: its significance is very much more spiritual than that. So it is with kundalini yoga and tantra: if it really boils down to whether or not seminal fluid can even be sublimated back up to the brain , then that's what I call giving great head!  But seriously, the significance we ought to interpet from these words surely far exceeds rather spurious Vedic ideas about what semen is for, where it comes from and where it goes.
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Post by maat on Mar 10, 2009 0:36:50 GMT
Good news fellas.... don't get yer knickers in a knot just yet... Read just recently where MEMORY WORK (Now who would have guessed ) is a key to the Chrism oil and its affect on the pituitary and pineal glands. (According to some the Holy Grail is the brain's third ventricle which contains these two glands) More later when I get a bit of time.... Maat |
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Post by maat on Mar 26, 2009 22:50:06 GMT
Okay, to get this back on track as I see it, the 'energy' that fuels our physical and subtle bodies comes from elsewhere, something which we acknowledge, consciously or not, when we refer to the recently dead as having departed. Life energy has departed.
The 'energy' descends to us and we can use it as we will. If we decide to reciprocate the gift and send it back 'up' it has to pass through the higher bodies, physical and subtle. This is when the 'magic' happens.
Add this little bit of info to your 'food for thought' list and see what you come up with.
The Cathars believed that the key to (this) divine transformation was the correct understanding of the symbolism of the Eucharist, that is, the bread and wine and the Holy Grail. The light of the sun is the bread; its warmth is the wine. The Holy Grail is the brain's third ventricle or cavity containing the pineal and pituitary glands.
This secret, known to the Cathars as the consolamentum ("with the sun in the mind") was kept hidden from the uninitiated. The Cathars believed man entered the kingdom of God through his pineal gland. The Cathars believed that the solar elements of the Eucharist transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ within themselves. The world transubstantiation comes from the Latin trans, across, and substantia, substance. This substance or glandular secretion, caught by the Holy Grail (the third ventricle), is what the Hindus call Amrita, "the elixir of immortality" and the Greeks Ambrosia, "the nectar of the gods."
William Henry, in Mary Magdalene: The Illuminator, wrote, "All the occult mysteries speak of a key that is required to unlock mystical secrets of enlightenment. Specifically, the lost secret of the Templars… is about building a better human through the release of secretions from the astounding manufacturing plant of spiritual oils, the human brain. This oil or essence was the key secret of Mary Magdalene and the Essenes, recovered by the Templars from between the temples. The skull (specifically the third ventricle) is… the Cup of Life, the Grail, that catches these secretions from the brain… The Templars' ultimate objective was to restore true Gnostic monotheism to the world, uniting Christianity, Judaism and Islam in a New Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. The 'new' humans that inhabited this New Jerusalem (or New Atlantis) would know and embody the secret of the Kingdom of Heaven within the brain and its capability of producing … the elixir of life, the Sacred Soma, the tonic of immortality, for these terms all refer to the cosmic essence or brain substance." It was also called Christos (anointing oil) by the Essenes.
From an article by Wayne H Purdon. Look for him on the Internet.
When you take into consideration what Paulh has said beforehand and you SERIOUSLY dissect what is said above ... you may recognise the WHAT - WHY and HOW of Freemasonry.
Maybe here you will find the answer to the question of the Templars and the Skull mystery.
Maybe here you will find the answer to what the bishop's crook symbolises.
Maat
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Post by paulh on Mar 27, 2009 2:57:20 GMT
I was on the train the other day and noticed an attractive woman (Godiva type) sitting across from me and I was surprised that I had no sexual interest in her.
So I investigated further. I compared her with similar appearance women in whom I could have sexual interest and discovered the difference was that she lacked a particular energy in upper third of the body.
When I examined that energy in various women who had it, I eventually labelled the energy as Mysteries.
Is the presence of this energy the source of the tradition that women are mysterious?
Are men driven to penetrate the Mysteries regardless of the social results?
Is that why we talk about a man knowing a woman, but not the other way around?
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Post by kromedragon on Mar 31, 2009 9:13:33 GMT
Forgive my ignorance. But i have wondered something that I am even now partly hesitant to ask, in case you might think it inappropriate or perverted. But I have always wondered if a woman's ingesting or swallowing of male or female semen would lead to her absorbing astral or chakra energy of the semen donor? There, i said it! sorry if this is not ok. but i just have to know cause i have a hunch that the ingesting absorbs some sort of esoteric energy from the semen donor. Is this just some male fantasy or is there a truth to it.
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But seriously, the significance we ought to interpet from these words surely far exceeds rather spurious Vedic ideas about what semen is for, where it comes from and where it goes.
