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Post by neophytesage on Apr 7, 2009 6:12:13 GMT
I posted this on another forum but figured I'd throw it up here as well because I thought it could spark some good convesation.
As a self-proclaimed student of astrology and a non-Mason on the path to Freemasonry, I found it interesting that when visiting a local lodge the other night that on the "western" wall was a large shelf, and sitting upon it was a globe of earth and another globe with the 12 signs of the zodiac. I thought it was a neat piece of ornamentation and didn't really think much more of it. Upon coming home I spent several hours online trying to find a similar globe for myself but was unable to do so.
Had I just seen the globe and thought it was cool, I probably never would have given it more thought than that. But since I spent so much time trying to find something similar for myself, it got me to thinking more and more about it. It led me to start wondering why it was there. The gentleman giving me the tour had told me that everything in that room had a purpose, but I didn't make the connection until later.
Is this something common or something unique to this lodge? Is there a connection to Freemasonry and astrology? As I journey toward Masonry should I be moving my studies of astrology in a Masonic direction, or am I making something out of nothing? What are your thoughts on astrology? What are your thoughts on the connection (again, if there even is one) between the astrology and Masonry.
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Post by paulh on Apr 7, 2009 9:05:19 GMT
Is there a connection to Freemasonry and astrology? I suggest the connection between Masonry and stars is amply demonstrated in the ritual and charges and in Masonic symbolism. Astrology may be too derivative and elaborate to reveal the connections clearly.
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Post by middlepillar on Apr 7, 2009 15:20:44 GMT
The August order of Light.
Uses Astrology in every aspect of its ritual, it is very important to set out the floor cloth and other pieces of furniture precisely according to what Star Sign it is working in.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 7, 2009 17:53:00 GMT
I have never heard of this Order. How wonderful. Do you have a link?
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Post by afterthought on Apr 7, 2009 17:54:58 GMT
One thing that I have found is that almost everything you can think of you'll find represented amongst Freemasonry. Somewhere, someplace someone made it happen.
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Post by neophytesage on Apr 7, 2009 23:35:23 GMT
One thing that I have found is that almost everything you can think of you'll find represented amongst Freemasonry. Somewhere, someplace someone made it happen. That makes sense. Where I have no illusions that Freemasons are astrologers per se, I think it incredibly unrealistic to think that there are no Freemasons who are also astrologers.
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Post by maat on Apr 8, 2009 0:09:53 GMT
Whoever wrote that article made a false assumption. In the same room where there are twelve banners exhibited there are four animal banners in the East. The most basic book on Astrology will tell you that these are the representations of the four fixed signs of the Zodiac. Neophytesage.. try an exercise of matching up the Twelve Labours of Hercules with the Twelve Signs of the Zodiac. I would be interested to hear the results. Maat
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Post by maat on Apr 8, 2009 0:42:27 GMT
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Post by afterthought on Apr 8, 2009 1:15:41 GMT
Thanks for the link It sounds as if they are still around, does anyone know for sure? These Rituals sound amazing, does anyone have a source?
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Post by billmcelligott on Apr 8, 2009 1:30:56 GMT
Sorry, just could not resist. I loved my Car.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 8, 2009 5:15:46 GMT
If they are still active I am sure a source will be found somewhere.
These deeply occult Rites are my bread and butter.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 8, 2009 5:21:16 GMT
Gotcha!! ;D "In the beginning there was light beyond the perfect circle, but when the Solar System arose light emanated from the point within the circle or sphere, and each orb, in perfect harmony, began to move round the great centre, thus marking the existence of Time, divided in Past, Present and Future; Morning, Noon, and Night. "I have to admit that I didn't think it would be that easy Things just have a way of being a win-win.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 8, 2009 20:04:02 GMT
After some study of this August Order of Light degrees; I dare to say that most Masons would not only not be interested, they would declare it an abomination. They would never fly amongst the mianstream in the USA.
The work is in a circle, it is focused on the Zodiac and the Gods of the Hindu pantheon.
There is ritual chanting.
This is a very occult ritual.
Awesome.
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Post by paulh on Apr 10, 2009 4:37:19 GMT
The work is in a circle, it is focused on the Zodiac and the Gods of the Hindu pantheon. Sounds a bit like HRA before the hemispherical arch of the zodiac was fitted into the straight lines of the Tree of Life. And the HRA veils seem to be Hindu in origin.
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Post by middlepillar on Apr 10, 2009 11:05:52 GMT
Afterthought
I answered a question that was posed at the beginning of this thread.
It is not this Forums policy nor was it my wish that parts of the Ritual of The AOL was to be displayed (all be it a small amount).
I am also somewhat amazed that after reading what you have done that you can make the judgement you have. it is not for anyone to judge anothers acceptance or not it may be your opinion but it is not a fact.
Ritual has to be witnessed to truly understand its message, you can read all you like but until you have experienced it you cannot possibly know.
To help you in our research perhaps you may or may not know that the AOL rituals were formed out of The Sat Bai.
I have no problem discussing The AOL, I would prefer it if you refrain from priniting any of the ritual.
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Post by ruffashlar on Apr 10, 2009 13:13:05 GMT
a globe of earth and another globe with the 12 signs of the zodiac
Neophytesage, the reference is probably to the two pillars of the porch of Solomon's temple, which tradition has it were surmounted, one by a celestial sphere, and the other by a terrestrial globe.
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Post by afterthought on Apr 10, 2009 20:44:03 GMT
Afterthought I answered a question that was posed at the beginning of this thread. It is not this Forums policy nor was it my wish that parts of the Ritual of The AOL was to be displayed (all be it a small amount). I am also somewhat amazed that after reading what you have done that you can make the judgement you have. it is not for anyone to judge anothers acceptance or not it may be your opinion but it is not a fact. Ritual has to be witnessed to truly understand its message, you can read all you like but until you have experienced it you cannot possibly know. To help you in our research perhaps you may or may not know that the AOL rituals were formed out of The Sat Bai. I have no problem discussing The AOL, I would prefer it if you refrain from priniting any of the ritual. I did not know that I broke forum policy. If I did I apologize. I also did not just read the small portion posted, I spend time with the entire ritual. I feel that I can say in mainstream USA a ritual with heavy group chanting would not be well received. I like it myself. I also disagree that 100% of the time ritual must be witnessed to be understood. Not everyone is an adept, I know this. However and adept sure can gain transformative change through the study of ritual. I've done it.
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Post by QUEST on Jul 19, 2009 21:30:36 GMT
I wonder if most religious people realize the impact that astronomy has had on most if not all religions? Sorry if this is off topic.
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Post by mgc on Jul 20, 2009 0:57:44 GMT
i dont think most do..
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Post by vajranagini on Jul 23, 2009 4:24:39 GMT
A GREAT book to read is "The Secret Zodiacs of Washington, DC " by David Ovason, the same guy who wrote "the Zelator". Mr Ovason is not a Mason (if he was, I bet he couldn't have come out with a lot of his stuff) but he delves into the history of the building of Washington DC by Freemasons...did you know that Washington DC is oriented towards the constellation of VIRGO?
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