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Post by maat on Jul 27, 2009 1:34:38 GMT
I think I have worked out the disproof: - The human race is the most intelligent species - I am the most intelligent human I have met Therefore if God exists He would have spoken to me first This may seem a little stark as an exposition but perhaps it gets to the core of the matter ;D ;D ;D President of your fan club Maat
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Jul 27, 2009 2:40:00 GMT
Magus you practice magick and forgive my ignorance GD. That is fine with me I am a Christian I think 2000 years ago when Christianity was looked on as an occult, it probably was much more convincing abviously the numbers dont lie. Then the greed of man and the rest of human curruption has made many people like yourself feel the way you do. Because you have had to deal with crazy fanatical hypocrytes . I am sorry for that. I do believe that there is a few Christians who truly follow Jesus. I am not one of them although that is my goal. they are a rare few.
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Post by maximus on Jul 27, 2009 10:52:39 GMT
I think I have worked out the disproof: - The human race is the most intelligent species - I am the most intelligent human I have met Therefore if God exists He would have spoken to me first This may seem a little stark as an exposition but perhaps it gets to the core of the matter ;D ;D ;D President of your fan club Maat I think he's just being Mr. Smartypants.
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 27, 2009 14:19:26 GMT
Those that have Faith do not need proof.
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Post by lauderdale on Jul 27, 2009 15:51:58 GMT
Bro Bill, on this I can certainly agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Jul 27, 2009 17:05:04 GMT
I also agree to me Faith is everything it is the greatset gift God can give man.
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Post by mgc on Jul 27, 2009 17:43:21 GMT
perhaps human r most intelligent, but other animals make fewer mistakes.. they r not as easily fooled by other animals of the same species.. humankinds greatest asset is also its biggest flaw.. the way we see the world and all unseen things is greatly pre-deter-min(e)d by our upbringing.. your parents r likely not straying far from how they see the world in your education.. the sooner the child finds out his teachers rnt all knowing, the sooner it will rebel against his teachers wisdom.. they often try to impose their will on the child (with the childs benefit in mind hopefully), but from a certain point onward, the child becomes strong enough to decide for himself what is right.. this doesnt mean it is actually right per say, but it does mean it tends to question more then those that never made the first step.. so far on faith vs proof..
sometimes i think i can see order in chaos.. who creates it? is it actually there?.. is it all my reflection in the big mirror?.. has my subconsciousness gone mental? im not sure what to make of it, but its interesting never the less..
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Post by maat on Jul 28, 2009 0:54:26 GMT
;D ;D ;D President of your fan club Maat I think he's just being Mr. Smartypants. I reckon we have enough smartypants posters here to start our own lodge... Bloomers Lodge #1 The Y-front of back to base masonry. You want to know Y? Ask the smartypants. Just don't ask why the skimpy swimmers they wear at Bondi Beach are called Budgie Smugglers. I would get my knickers in a knot. Maat Sorry God - back to you...
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Post by maximus on Jul 28, 2009 16:37:24 GMT
I reckon we have enough smartypants posters here to start our own lodge... Bloomers Lodge #1 The Y-front of back to base masonry. You want to know Y? Ask the smartypants. I'm joining up.
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Post by maat on Jul 29, 2009 0:10:19 GMT
I reckon we have enough smartypants posters here to start our own lodge... Bloomers Lodge #1 The Y-front of back to base masonry. You want to know Y? Ask the smartypants. I'm joining up. You're quite confident you won't be you know what?
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Post by maximus on Jul 29, 2009 1:26:49 GMT
I'm joining up. You're quite confident you won't be you know what? I am Mr. Smartypants. I almost know as much as Bill. Give me a couple of more years.
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Post by magusmasonica on Jul 31, 2009 5:59:57 GMT
Those that have Faith do not need proof. Bro.Bill, Just curious but what if I told you that I had a diamond the size of a icebox in my garden? I have never seen the diamond nor has anyone else but my absolute faith that the diamond is their gave me comfort and peace and if I trust put my faith in the diamond all of my problems would eventually be solved. How would you come away from that conversation? Love and Light,
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 31, 2009 9:07:26 GMT
Those that have Faith do not need proof. Bro.Bill, Just curious but what if I told you that I had a diamond the size of a icebox in my garden? I have never seen the diamond nor has anyone else but my absolute faith that the diamond is their gave me comfort and peace and if I trust put my faith in the diamond all of my problems would eventually be solved. How would you come away from that conversation? Love and Light, It is your Faith and I have no wish to try to change or alter it in any way. If however you observed me in my daily life and you decided you wished to change your life pattern, I would help in any way I can.
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Post by magusmasonica on Jul 31, 2009 12:41:23 GMT
Bro.Bill, Just curious but what if I told you that I had a diamond the size of a icebox in my garden? I have never seen the diamond nor has anyone else but my absolute faith that the diamond is their gave me comfort and peace and if I trust put my faith in the diamond all of my problems would eventually be solved. How would you come away from that conversation? Love and Light, It is your Faith and I have no wish to try to change or alter it in any way. If however you observed me in my daily life and you decided you wished to change your life pattern, I would help in any way I can. Thanks for the offer Bill but believe it or not I actually like myself and my "life pattern" is A-OK at the moment. I will file your offer just in case future opportunities present themself. Cheers,
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Post by billmcelligott on Jul 31, 2009 18:50:35 GMT
Brad, please explain to me why you have to take a perfectly honest and reasonable answer and make it sound trashy.
I don't care if you like what I say or not, I would just like to try to understand why you find this answer somehow insulting.
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Post by middlepillar on Aug 1, 2009 10:13:03 GMT
Those that have Faith do not need proof. Bro.Bill, Just curious but what if I told you that I had a diamond the size of a icebox in my garden? I have never seen the diamond nor has anyone else but my absolute faith that the diamond is their gave me comfort and peace and if I trust put my faith in the diamond all of my problems would eventually be solved. How would you come away from that conversation? Love and Light, I would also like to answer this! Firstly, I would think you were completely bonkers. Secondly, as long as you were not hurting anyone I would support your right to have that faith, because it would obviously be comforting you, why destroy someones comfort when it is doing no harm? As a Christian I have to say your use of this example is in my opinion completey irrelevant and reduces the discussion down to 'I will prove my point at all costs' and I think it is unfortunate. I happily accept your beliefs regarding Christianity, I am also happy for you to post those beliefs on this Forum. However this Forum does not tolerate anti-Grand Lodge statements, nor anti-religious statements. Please keep this in mind for future reference. Each persons faith is between him and his God/belief to reduce it to the way described in your post, I believe is being disrespectful to all the members of this Forum who have faith in God. Thanks for keeping this in mind
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Post by magusmasonica on Aug 1, 2009 18:14:06 GMT
Bro.Bill, Just curious but what if I told you that I had a diamond the size of a icebox in my garden? I have never seen the diamond nor has anyone else but my absolute faith that the diamond is their gave me comfort and peace and if I trust put my faith in the diamond all of my problems would eventually be solved. How would you come away from that conversation? Love and Light, I would also like to answer this! Firstly, I would think you were completely bonkers. Secondly, as long as you were not hurting anyone I would support your right to have that faith, because it would obviously be comforting you, why destroy someones comfort when it is doing no harm? As a Christian I have to say your use of this example is in my opinion completey irrelevant and reduces the discussion down to 'I will prove my point at all costs' and I think it is unfortunate. I happily accept your beliefs regarding Christianity, I am also happy for you to post those beliefs on this Forum. However this Forum does not tolerate anti-Grand Lodge statements, nor anti-religious statements. Please keep this in mind for future reference. Each persons faith is between him and his God/belief to reduce it to the way described in your post, I believe is being disrespectful to all the members of this Forum who have faith in God. Thanks for keeping this in mind Bro. Middlepillar, First of all welcome back, I have not seen u post in a while ;D Secondly, if I offended I apologize as that was not my intent. The conversation topic at hand is dealing with religion so I figured my post would be appropriate. If it is not please remove it. Love and Light,
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Post by humbleseeker1 on Aug 1, 2009 22:45:56 GMT
I would go dig up the diamond. Faith is the diamond its just easier to dig up a real diamond then to grasp faith. Blesssed are those who find it.
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Post by blackberry on Oct 3, 2009 19:51:50 GMT
Something which i personally believe has been heavily missed here. The inadvertent mixing of GOD and Gods. In many scriptural references and in much of ancient belief - God/gods seems to refer to someone or some people that physically existed. Whilst the one and true meaning of GOD the omnipresent etc, is a completely different thing. So, if your decipher the two things. There was obviously someone or some beings in the distant past which our ancestors saw as Gods. Whilst the fabric of time and space, which we simply do not understand, is inherently intelligent. And we are, none of us, separate from it. Or indeed GOD, which is just a word to describe something that we cannot visualize in its entirety. So the proof of historic Gods or god-like beings. Is either there. Or will be found. Whilst the proof of the existence of GOD the omniscient is inside each and every one of us. It is every falling leaf in autumn. Ever tear of joy or pain. And as we grow, it becomes more natural to submit to the existence of this commonality between us and the one natural universal God. Society doesn't help us with this. But we are all part of GOD. We are the proof. And to define it beyond the subjective is impossible because it is mathematically, scientifically and spiritually bigger than any one human being.
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Post by keith on Oct 4, 2009 6:31:41 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, there is order in the universe. That order must have a source otherwise there would only be chaos. That source is what I consider as the Supreme Being. Of course it is not an old man with a long white beard , wearing a robe and sitting in an uncomfortable chair, What it is is incomprehensible, could be perhaps something like an equation? That is what I consider to be what we prefer to call God, Allah or whatever name is usual in your personal religion.
SO the fact that the universe exists and has laws of physics which control it is sufficient proof to me of the existence of God.
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