Martinism

[wickedsquirrel]

Is anyone here an active member of Martinism or a past member? It would be good to discuss what differences there are between the different orders :-)

[assassin]

There are a few of us. What is it that you want to know?

Hassan ibn Sabbah

[magusmasonica]

Is it the case that a lodge can be formed with only one initiate?

[methuselah]

Nov 19, 2009 6:48:40 GMT magusmasonica said:

Is it the case that a lodge can be formed with only one initiate?

No.

[magusmasonica]

Nov 19, 2009 7:03:38 GMT methuselah said:

Nov 19, 2009 6:48:40 GMT magusmasonica said:

Is it the case that a lodge can be formed with only one initiate?

No.

I have spoken with Martinists in Germany, Denmark and Sweden who insist this is the case. Perhaps it depends on the Order?

Love and Light,

[methuselah]

Nov 19, 2009 18:41:04 GMT magusmasonica said:

Nov 19, 2009 7:03:38 GMT methuselah said:

No.

I have spoken with Martinists in Germany, Denmark and Sweden who insist this is the case. Perhaps it depends on the Order?

Love and Light,

Oooo....waitaminute. Now that I reread that, I may not have understood what you were asking.

[Tamrin]

Regarding Freemasonry, our ritual informs us:

W.M.—What constitutes a Lodge, just, perfect and regular?
C.—The presence of the three Great Lights in Masonry, a Warrant or Charter from the Grand Lodge, and the proper number of Brethren.

Three rule a Lodge; five hold a Lodge: and seven or more make it perfect. The three that rule a Lodge are the W.M., and his Wardens; the five that hold a Lodge are the W.M., two Wardens, and two F.Cs.; the seven or more that make it perfect are two E.A.Fs. added to those already named.

From what I understand, Martinism also requires group work.

[magusmasonica]

Nov 19, 2009 21:13:53 GMT Tamrin said:

Regarding Freemasonry, our ritual informs us:

W.M.—What constitutes a Lodge, just, perfect and regular?
C.—The presence of the three Great Lights in Masonry, a Warrant or Charter from the Grand Lodge, and the proper number of Brethren.

Three rule a Lodge; five hold a Lodge: and seven or more make it perfect. The three that rule a Lodge are the W.M., and his Wardens; the five that hold a Lodge are the W.M., two Wardens, and two F.Cs.; the seven or more that make it perfect are two E.A.Fs. added to those already named.

From what I understand, Martinism also requires group work.

Depends on the Ritual brother. The Hellenic Rite for an example requires only three officers.

Love and Light,

[sid]

... or do you mean the 4th degree Initiate?

Nov 19, 2009 18:41:04 GMT magusmasonica said:

Nov 19, 2009 7:03:38 GMT methuselah said:

No.

I have spoken with Martinists in Germany, Denmark and Sweden who insist this is the case. Perhaps it depends on the Order?

Love and Light,

There are Martinists who work alone ... .

[methuselah]

Nov 19, 2009 22:57:22 GMT sid said:

... or do you mean the 4th degree Initiate?

Yeah, I think that's what he means.
Wickedsquirrel- you're not going to get much response to the original question. Martinism tends to be pretty sub rosa.

[magusmasonica]

Nov 19, 2009 23:26:12 GMT methuselah said:

Nov 19, 2009 22:57:22 GMT sid said:

... or do you mean the 4th degree Initiate?

Yeah, I think that's what he means.
Wickedsquirrel- you're not going to get much response to the original question. Martinism tends to be pretty sub rosa.

I am far from an expert in Martinist degree system. I have just heard from Martinists in causal conversation that it only takes one initiate to form a lodge.

[happyzealot]

It could be possible, I guess, if one individual 'hives off' from an existing Martinist lodge. It could depend on the Rite, too, I suppose. Some groups have self dedication/initiation ceremonies so it can be done.

Not an expert on Martinism, btw. I have an open invite to one group, but just don't have the time to really devote myself.

[assassin]

I guess there was no real question. The original poster of this thread has not yet returned.

Hassan ibn Sabbah