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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 12:54:38 GMT
I have always wonder, where is the oldest co-masonic lodge?
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Post by leonardo on Nov 27, 2009 13:16:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 14:00:29 GMT
Thanks Leo, I wonder because know for a fact that the Scottish rite temple in Washington D.C. gives tours and the grand lodge of Philadelphia give tours to. So one day when I get the chance, I would like visit these places for the tour. Then I thought to myself I wonder if there are any co-masonic lodges that give like a history tour to.
Now that I am thinking about it I have only seen one co-masonic lodge picture on the web before. I think it was a lodge of the Le Droit Humain located in France.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 27, 2009 14:15:08 GMT
Hi Lynn, From our [LDH-UK] website: "The International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain was founded in France in 1893. The Order came to Britain in 1902, when the British Federation was founded by Annie Besant. The Federation's 100th anniversary was celebrated in 2002."So, from this we can assume LDH has had lodges since 1893 Incidentally, our HQ in Surbiton is a wonderful place to visit, and if you're ever in the UK I suggest you try to. In fact, all are welcome to attend any of the Open events we have; our last such event was part of our annual Convention, which was broken into specific parts so non Masons could also attend. It was great success.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 27, 2009 14:36:24 GMT
EDEN'S GARDEN! Good answer!!
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Post by mike on Nov 28, 2009 18:29:19 GMT
So, from this we can assume LDH has had lodges since 1893 Careful! That's a very inaccurate statement. When Mlle. Deraismes and Dr. Martin founded the first mixed Lodge there was no such thing as Le Droit Humain the Order to which you belong today. Initially there was the Grande Loge Symbolique Ecossaise Mixte de France and its first lodge was called Le Droit Humain , interestingly this Grand Lodge was a Craft body. The Supreme Council came along in approx 1900. Mike
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Post by leonardo on Nov 28, 2009 18:39:04 GMT
So, from this we can assume LDH has had lodges since 1893 Careful! That's a very inaccurate statement. When Mlle. Deraismes and Dr. Martin founded the first mixed Lodge there was no such thing as Le Droit Humain the Order to which you belong today. Initially there was the Grande Loge Symbolique Ecossaise Mixte de France and its first lodge was called Le Droit Humain , interestingly this Grand Lodge was a Craft body. The Supreme Council came along in approx 1900. Mike Thanks Mike. As you know I was taking my assumption from a quote on our main website, which says: "The International Order of Co-Freemasonry, Le Droit Humain was founded in France in 1893. The Order came to Britain in 1902, when the British Federation was founded by Annie Besant."
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 28, 2009 21:06:57 GMT
Bro leo, this may be helpful, from our UK Federation Website
LODGE HUMAN DUTY NO. 6
Lodge Human Duty was the first, and hence, premier lodge founded by Annie Besant on September 26th 1902.
Lodge Human Duty survives today as a shelter for those Masons who may be unable, perhaps because of age, illness or infirmity, to attend regular lodges.
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Post by mike on Nov 29, 2009 0:39:03 GMT
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Post by leonardo on Nov 29, 2009 9:25:20 GMT
Bro leo, this may be helpful, from our UK Federation Website LODGE HUMAN DUTY NO. 6Lodge Human Duty was the first, and hence, premier lodge founded by Annie Besant on September 26th 1902. Lodge Human Duty survives today as a shelter for those Masons who may be unable, perhaps because of age, illness or infirmity, to attend regular lodges. Thanks Brother for that quote, which answers things in relation to LDH's oldest Lodge. Some very informative links. Thanks Mike. This thread is proving to be quite a little gem for some really interesting Co-Masonic history.
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Post by mike on Nov 29, 2009 12:43:51 GMT
This thread is proving to be quite a little gem for some really interesting Co-Masonic history. I think someone else mentioned this but I think it's about time that someone wrote a well researched history of Co-masonry in english. Especially as LDH has not long celebrated its first century. I asked some years ago and it was intimated that there may be a proper history (in french), however, it was never identified. Mike
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 29, 2009 19:43:30 GMT
I'm sure that when someone in LDH has the time to do so they will. At present many of our Leading Bretheren are busy with other matters. Personally, I am not an author nor given work and other Masonic committments I would not have the time for what could be quite a task to accomplish were it to be done properly. Maybe someone amongst the many talented people who range under our banners may do so and I for one would look forward to it.
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 29, 2009 19:48:19 GMT
I'm sure that when someone in LDH has the time to do so they will. At present many of our Leading Bretheren are busy with other matters. Personally, I am not an author nor given work and other Masonic committments I would not have the time for what could be quite a task to accomplish were it to be done properly. Maybe someone amongst the many talented people who range under our banners may do so and I for one would look forward to it. So would I.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 20:55:40 GMT
Yes! A book would be great!
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Post by magusmasonica on Nov 29, 2009 21:46:08 GMT
History is great. I love it. However, IMHO it is where the movement is going now and beyond that is most important.
It both amazing and disgusting to me that "Masonic Light' would be exclusive to 50% of the population and this position would be justified.
We know that the historical "Stone Masons where all men" argument to be as historically wrong as it gets. Yet the exculsion of an entire gender still continues?
Love and Light,
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 30, 2009 5:14:48 GMT
Pictures, yes we have plenty of those at Hexagon House which would be useful in such a book. However, I cannot see a lot of point in graphs, espacially in a book about Co-Freemasonry. Graphs can cause confusion in many cases rather than impart information, a classic case being in the monthly briefing held for staff where I work where the charts and graphs shown in the presentation are the most disliked, boring and least helpful part according to those attending and are to be reduced and simplified.
It is up to the author of such a book on LDH UK History how they would present it but whilst I can see a lot of sense in pictures I cannot see that graphs and charts would be of any benefit in such a work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 15:20:41 GMT
So LODGE HUMAN DUTY NO. 6 is the oldest lodge in the UK. What would be the oldest lodge in France. Le Droit Humain was started in France so that would mean the oldest co-masonic lodge would be there.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 1, 2009 16:13:42 GMT
I shall go and find out for you Bro Lynn or perhaps Bro Cora Burke M.M. would be a good source of this information. For the meantime, try this from the website of our French Federation. www.droit-humain.org/en_foreword.html___________________________________________________ Maria Deraismes was initiated - on 14th January 1882 - into Lodge "Les Libres Penseurs" of Pecq , a small village to the west of Paris. She was the first female Freemason, symbolising initiatory equality.
Eleven years later, on 4th April 1893, Maria Deraismes and Georges Martin, a well known mason, created in Paris the first co-masonic Lodge. Out of this co-masonic Lodge came the birth of the Grande Loge Symbolique Ecossaise "Le Droit Humain", establishing the equality of men and women, out of which, later, came the birth of the International Order of Co-Freemasonry "LE DROIT HUMAIN".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 0:19:04 GMT
Thanks lauderdale. I wonder if the Lodge Les Libres Penseurs is still there active or non active. Bro Lynn!? You shouldn't call me that because I haven't earned that title yet.
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Post by lauderdale on Dec 2, 2009 0:44:29 GMT
I thought you were already Initiated.
Anyway I found this about Loge Les Libres Penseurs.
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In 1882, a lodge working under the Charter of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of La Grande Loge Symbolique de France. called lodge Les Libres Penseurs, resolved that the time had come when women who had proved themselves free and of mature mind and understanding should receive initiation into Masonry. The first woman to receive the honour of this freely offered initiation was Mlle. Maria Destraimes. As a direct consequence of this noble and far-sighted action lodge Les Libres Penseurs was forced to detach itself from its parent body and form a separate Masonic body known as La Grand Loge Symboloique Ecossaise, so symbolically identifying itself with the strong and individual traditions of Scottish Freemasonry.
One of the early initiates was Mrs (Dr) Anne Besant, a woman very active in the Theosophical Society, who quickly became a leader in this new movement. The name of the Order was subsequently changed to that of the Universal Order of Co-Masonry and it spread rapidly throughout the world. It arrived in Britain in 1902 and the first London Co-Masonic lodge was formed on 26th September 1902.
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This would tend to suggest to me that the Lodge has now gone dark. A pity as it achieved such a great step forward in Freemasonry. Perhaps one of our Brethren in GOdF or GLdF may know more about this?
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