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Post by Jumile on Nov 30, 2004 12:40:42 GMT
While during my usual Masonic forum rounds, I noticed the following thread at the LodgeRoom. Bars in Lodges!It certainly makes for interesting reading:.
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Post by waynecowley on Nov 30, 2004 12:44:09 GMT
Very
Aren't we fortunate
Wayne
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 30, 2004 18:03:11 GMT
Jumile
In olden days many of our Lodges met in Bars & Pubs, and it was not uncommon for a Lodge to call off 2 or 3 times in order to 'get' refreshment!
Some of the demonstration teams that go around the country demonstrating 1sts and 3rds make a big point of demonstrating this!
Even today there are a few Lodges meeting in 'Upstair Bars'. of Pubs (The Gun in Spitalfields is an example) Fortunately The bar is definately closed during a meeting!
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Post by leonardo on Nov 30, 2004 18:09:48 GMT
As a non-drinker the lack of a bar will not affect me ;D Interesting topic and link, though.
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Post by offramp on Nov 30, 2004 18:29:19 GMT
I like to have a few to drink on my Lodge nights. Generally I will have fifteen to twenty pints of lager before we go in. Any more than that and I will suffer with bladder spasms. If there is a Calling off or an Installation I will try and fit in another 4 or 5. When the Lodge is closed I really let rip.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 30, 2004 18:33:03 GMT
Offramp
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Post by staffs on Nov 30, 2004 20:19:38 GMT
I see you are just a social drinker then Offramp ;D
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Post by offramp on Dec 1, 2004 18:36:26 GMT
Seriously, though, I might have one pint before going into the Lodge if I am fulfilling an office that day; otherwise possibly two. I am not a big wine drinker so at the Festive Board I will have another beer. I might have a glass of wine if I am in the South or West. Afterwards I'll probably have another couple depending on who I am with. I should add that I have never learned how to drive a motor vehicle so I always rely on public transport!
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Post by bod on Dec 2, 2004 11:36:33 GMT
Even today there are a few Lodges meeting in 'Upstair Bars'. of Pubs (The Gun in Spitalfields is an example) Fortunately The bar is definately closed during a meeting! Thats where my Mark lodge meets! ;D
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Post by leonardo on Dec 2, 2004 15:00:28 GMT
Offramp, your first version seems easier to believe
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Post by symbol on Dec 4, 2004 15:19:53 GMT
having read some of the link i have to say its all a little extreme,,,, we have a bar and its put to good use. i have to say i havent seen hoards of drunken masonsshouting out of the lodge windows or singing rude songs,, (mind you sometimes i do wish) Reading that People from outside must wonder ?? Its not going win over new members is it? ? Geez so much fuss over having a glass of wine lol. All i can say is 'get out more' hic
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Post by offramp on Dec 8, 2004 6:38:59 GMT
Does anyone have weblinks where I could have a look at rituals for any of the following fraternities/sororities?
Mau Mau Druids Wicca Hell's Angels Knights of Columba
I have a feeling that many of them are built on a masonic base.
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Post by taylorsman on Dec 8, 2004 7:32:57 GMT
Druids of course predate Modern and Organised Freemasonry as we know it today whatever debate there may be about our origins.
I do know that Hells Angels are organised into Chapters and have Regalia, it think they refer to these as colours.
The Knights of Columba could mean either the Knights of Saint Columba which originated in Glasgow and is a Masonic Style Organisation for Roman Catholic Men. It has branches all over Britain and has Three Degrees, Regalia, Passwords, Secret means of Recognition, a Grand Knight as the equivalent of WM etc. The Knights of Columbus is a similar RC men's organisation in the USA. Unlike Freemasonry and KSC I understand the Knights of Columbus are quite commercial and their members have to sell Insurance and other Financial Plans etc to help finance the organisation but that in return members who hit hard times are far better helped out than we Freemasons are by the Craft.
Wicca is the old Witchcraft, I assume, and I would also think that it goes back many centuries to before the days of Matthew Hopkins etc.
In any such organisation there are bound to be similarities in structure and, if their activities be reserved to members for whatever reason then there will be passwords, signs, etc and so forth. So I feel that to say that these other Organisations are built on a Masonic base, (apart from the KSC which is quite obviously imitative of Freemasonry for those RC Men who wanted to be Freemasons but were forbidden by that Church), is not true but that they have coincident structures etc is quite evident and not at all surprising.
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Post by Jumile on Dec 8, 2004 14:09:34 GMT
I think you may have more response if you create a new thread for this topic.
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Post by offramp on Dec 8, 2004 21:11:56 GMT
I don't like starting new threads and this seemed the most adjacent.
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