Peter, Do you have any inclination when? Is this from a feeling, thought or other. It's been my perspective that the world has been coming to a judgment day since the beginning of mankind. The Dead Sea scrolls for an example. My father-in-law once said, mankind is living on plate tectonics, what makes you think that's safe? Also, the earth has had at least 9 mass extinctions (meaning 99 percent of life wiped out), To put it mildly, everyday here is a blessing.
Peter, Sorry for the delay in response, I've been working on a forum for the mere reason my poll questions were locked out. Not sure why, Solomon's temple is the Masonic foundation. I guess the craft has progressively moved beyond this point?. The experience was a little disheartening, I have always stood on the shoulders of our ancient brethren . I took the liberty of importing our conversion because I've enjoyed the engagement. link In hopes you do not mind.
> It's been my perspective that the world has been coming to a judgment day
The cycle of pralaya and manifestation occurs over 10s of billions of years.
There are of course many shorter cycles such as marked by the signs of the zodiac, sun spots, and wobbles in the spin of the Earth.
Currently, globally we are at the end of a social cycle and old social and political institutions are falling away, but so far without the intensity of the Great Depression of the 1930s that led to a world war.
>since the beginning of mankind
You may be aware that many native peoples believe they are descended from people from the stars - with different peoples nominating several different star systems. Alien accounts indicate that humanity did not originate in this galaxy.
>My belief is scripture will prevail.
Do you favor any particular tradition? I prefer Sumerian to Jewish. Abraham was from Sumer.
> Solomon's temple is the Masonic foundation.
According to Scottish Masonic tradition, Moses held a lodge during the 40 years of wandering in the desert. If we can believe the OT that was long before the temple of King Solomon. I have "seen" an ancient Egyptian 3rd degree and the modern version is play-acting. From that and other experiences it is obvious to me that Freemasonry predates the supposed KST by millennia at least and quite possibly originates outside the planet.
It is better to consider KST as a symbol of the soul body - constructed without the sound of tools. (The lack of sound of tools is also a hint as to the construction of the Great Pyramid at Giza - it was largely cast in place using concrete of limestone and of granite)
>The experience was a little disheartening
In my view Freemasonry took a wrong turning in 1717. The results of that are now obvious: In 35 years I have found only one practitioner of Masonic Science in Freemasonry and he resigned because the lodge ritual had so little energy.
I have been surveying long term brethren and they all agree that Masonic ritual has much less energy than when they were first in lodge. In my view the current form of Freemasonry has reached its use-by date (like many social institutions) and the spiritual sponsors are gradually cutting off the flow of Light. This is not a matter for regret but rather for expectation of a new cycle better suited to the future needs.
>In hopes you do not mind.
That is ok. There might be someone that finds my comments useful.
Ancient Persia from Cyrus to Darius, 600–486 BCE . I would like to see Persia restored as well as Persepolis and Solomon's temple. I believe it was a mistake when Cyrus removed cubits from social society. I'd like to correct that. Open to all religions, “The soul of man should be treated as individual gifts”. I view Abraham and Moses or any master who brought greatness to the people with high respect and honor, but I also realize the world has to come into terrible turmoil before a profit (such as the son of God) appears to reset the scepter. It is sickening that man destroys his past for his own supreme future (such as Isis destroying museum tablets and artifacts). The past is our lessons
> A hint as to the construction of the Great pyramid at Giza- it was largely cast in place using concrete of limestone and granite.
Casting in place would suggest casting molds producing duplicate stones, all stone sizes and their fittings are random in nature. Lets apply logic of an architect to a limestone quarry. Water level a plateau, this datum is your first side and why the pyramid is on the same curvature as the earth (the water follows that law). Layout the perimeter of the pyramid row, trench down both sides such as the left obelisk, link. Layout your verticals and saw cut (in an illustrated sense). Undercut and breakout. Thus, you have one flat datum and two perfectly mated sides. Place your datum side on the water leveled plateau and lock it in a keep (possibly a channel for higher efficiency) and mill. From here the keep sets height. Depth is achieved in the next series of keeps/channels. In short, each tier quarried in place. This set perimeter produces high precision, production and repeatable mates. You cannot apply practical to one stone at a time. Also, the most important thing in a foundation, a perk test. Khufu's unfinished room- a place that can be observed during construction. One could say that the 1st Bent Pyramid during construction started to fail perk. The architect ended it with an abrupt angle. In further, the time savings alone would justify the change order of the project. Construction is straightforward resolutions other than early forms of pyramid.
>Your suggestion of KST as a symbol of the soul body. I would like to understand this better.
>Humanity did not originate in this galaxy, I prefer seeded.
>In my view of Freemasonry, I am still surveying cause and effect. I would also like to say, the brethren in our lodge are some of the greatest members and I enjoy traveling life with them. I am not disagreeing with you but to start a better conversation, What do you think would be helpful in strengthening the craft?
>That is ok. There might be someone that finds my comments useful. You are a good man.
"Times Online is reporting that French and American researchers have discovered that the stones on the higher levels of the great pyramids of Egypt were built with concrete. From the article: 'Until recently it was hard for geologists to distinguish between natural limestone and the kind that would have been made by reconstituting liquefied lime.' They found 'traces of a rapid chemical reaction which did not allow natural crystallization. The reaction would be inexplicable if the stones were quarried, but perfectly comprehensible if one accepts that they were cast like concrete.'"
I am not ruling it out; it could have been very well overseen by other origins. However, I would make these points: If the stones were cast this would have been a huge technological advancement, revolutionary. Unless the stone masons (in a manner of speaking) HenryFord'ed Tesla and succeeded, they for surely would have applied it to columns and sculptures. Remnants of splash or beat out cleans of mixers, tools left casting covered (such as every home built has broken tool somewhere earthed around its vicinity) located either on site or at the quarry would have been found (such as the copper slag near Petra). Concrete in a modern sense is one of the harshest conditions applied to tools. It is a huge procession to continuous pour not to mention the draft required or in releasing a mold. Without a duplicate stone, this would suggest non-reusable custom molds that had high precision in length,width and height. In addition, you would also have to include the resolve to hold all that material until cure. Although, a good way to support this theory would be to find a limestone statue or structure with the right amount of draft. I would also suggest the outer edges or voids of a natural deposit has a lot of impurity (such as straw), irregularity and different molecular arrangements. Also, being towards the top of Pyramid Khufu, the stone quality standards may have dropped due to time constraints, not needing a high structure content or just getting rid of previously rejected stones. (As all projects of this magnitude recycle into production.) The discipline for this project was to make it beyond. So, did they? To answer that I have recycle back to math for the last question. Was their cubital math correct?
Sincerer, I am not disagreeing. I am just saying there are a lot of points of view to entertain. For instance, I would love the chance to mathematically open Pyramid Khufu. Unfortunately minds become too narrow. I keep an open mind developing across all Theorem. Such as I hoped for this and all conversation.
>Your suggestion of KST as a symbol of the soul body. I really would like to understand this better.
The standard human has a soul body and a solar angel that uses the soul body.
The soul body is constructed from substance of the top 3 subplanes of the mental plane: 5.3, 5.2 and 5.1
The human through long endeavor to be better gradually accumulates subtle substance for the soul body and learns to coordinate the substance - build it into a functional structure.
As the functionality of the soul body improves the solar angel takes greater interest in the human and starts to extend its influence into the personality of the human. By this time the physical, emotional and mental substance used in the personality has been cleansed of the densest substance and is therefore free of vices. Vices (viciousness) are low frequency energy that only resonates with lowest subplane substance.
Thus the human progressively builds an energy body without the sounds of tools and without the use of metals. The refined energy body is a temple for the solar angel.
I have observed several solar angels and none of them is a bloodline entity.
Solar angels are just that: entities posted from the solar system to over-light the spiritual development of Earth humans
Bloodlines may have a directing entity or group of entities but mostly these are of a much lower frequency than solar angels. Some bloodlines are captured by parasitic entities. Typically tragic events then reappear in each generation of humans.
Ancestor groups can be problem. I certainly noticed that with one marriage where there was a feud between the long gone ancestors of the two families. The two groups continued their feud by manipulating the relationship of the newly weds.
Peter, It took me a couple of thoughts before I realized, we come form different backgrounds and different projections. I do not view that plane as you do. To me it is just a plane where things cannot be let go, forever weigh. Our life cycle is short, why do you wish to dwell there? Are you seeking knowledge, protection or discipline? What is your purpose? What is it you need to achieve there? My background is Alchemy.
> To me it is just a plane where things cannot be let go, forever weigh.
If you consider the concept of 5 electricities that exist beyond each plane, then the planes are manifestations that may be altered by manipulating the electricities.
Here is what may be an alchemical context for the 5 electricities.
"Count Mattei took the leaves of the herb, distilled their essence, and then tried the product on a human patient suffering from scrofula." Need we add that the results were marvellous, and that the Count succeeded, " by degrees," in compounding " some eight or ten medicines and five electricities, with which he treats all manner of diseases." Mr. Stead, under the influence, it would seem, of the electric fluid, thus describes the Mattei treatment: — "The grand secret is the fixing in the remedy of a mysterious something which he calls the electrical principle. " archive.org/stream/b19974760M0894/b19974760M0894_djvu.txt
>Our life cycle is short, why do you wish to dwell there?
The traditional objective of alchemists is immortality.
>What is your purpose? What is it you need to achieve there?
Do I have a choice about purpose? Is it not an agreement made beyond this system?
5 electricities that exist beyond each plane that you speak of is Cosmic Consciousness, Fohat derived. > manipulating the electricities In a Khemeia sense? and from what plane, the adept (magical plane)? Perfection is given, not acquired. Your perception confuses me or quite possibly your answers are to vague. Either way this topic has gotten so far off Masonic tradition, I would hate to mislead guests. These are thoughts and opinions in no way related to masonic theorem. Perhaps, I would like to suggest moving this venue to Off-Topic Discussions, possibly in a more appropriately name thread or different forum? Peter, I have enjoyed our conversion. Not many people talk truthfully. Me personally, I know myself very well and I am not lost, that in itself is a gift. I could careless of other peoples perception. These questions should in no way be perceived as offensive, they are rooted in a better understanding nature. On a second thought, there are a lot of people viewing. Someone finds something of interest? Kind of hard to gauge... I will leave the next thought and direction yours.
Peter, Your purpose is still vague. I'll be frank with you, you discarded your bloodline as lower frequency, that's incorrect. Your bloodline is your identity, they gave it to you. Everything we have is a gift from them. They are our strength, nothing else. Not understanding this will leave you vulnerable and week.
Who embodies the real man and is his expression on the plane of higher mind. The Solar Angel is literally your divine ancestor.
Cubits define all reality. Yes, measure (cubits) of immortality motivate us to seek the higher reality, the operation of the Rod of Initiation, if your true purpose is to heal. The Rods of Initiation are of four kinds, therein you find the definitions needed (palms). Mathematical disciple, please reconsider that.
True Self, is the energy of the individualized rod. - F.A.T
If you do not understand the mechanics of mathematical cubit, you will never ascend. - F.A.T
We will have to agree to disagree, and that's O.K. I will only add, this goes beyond that, universalis. Your potential is set by your natural abilities, not by someone's boundaries. Do not be afraid to go it alone, the Gods weren't.