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Post by darkwolf57 on Dec 25, 2012 0:38:11 GMT
"For me this question sounds silly, but it is said here, based on the 18ht Landmark of Mackey, that if one cannot stand or hear the word, or see the light, one can not be initiated!!!! Writing about the ritual in England could be of help clarifying the matter for many Masons in Brazil that think this is impossible and does not exist in regular GL."
Mackey has been superseded for many, many years in most GLs. His "Perfect Man" Doctrine is very rare, today in the US. In my own GL (Indiana), we have a Special Lodge of Past Masters (Under Dispensation) who have been trained to assist the Handicapped through their Degrees. As we are taught that it is the Internal, and not the External Qualities that make a man suitable to be a Mason, there are very few physical disqualifications that cannot be overcome.
In Indiana, a blind man is still ineligible to be elected as Master... but even the blind can (and do) serve in every other Place and Station.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Dec 25, 2012 0:37:29 GMT
"For me this question sounds silly, but it is said here, based on the 18ht Landmark of Mackey, that if one cannot stand or hear the word, or see the light, one can not be initiated!!!! Writing about the ritual in England could be of help clarifying the matter for many Masons in Brazil that think this is impossible and does not exist in regular GL."
Mackey has been superseded for many, many years in most GLs. His "Perfect Man" Doctrine is very rare, today in the US. In my own GL (Indiana), we have a Special Lodge of Past Masters (Under Dispensation) who have been trained to assist the Handicapped through their Degrees. As we are taught that it is the Internal, and not the External Qualities that make a man suitable to be a Mason, there are very few physical disqualifications that cannot be overcome.
In Indiana, a blind man is still ineligible to be elected as Master... but even the blind can (and do) serve in every other Place and Station.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Dec 24, 2012 20:56:34 GMT
Here in Indiana, we sing very little, these days.
Of course, we use Pleyel's Hymn (to words pertinent to that Degree) in the Third. Other than that, the only times we as a Lodge sing, is at our local Feasts of St. John, and at our Grand Lodge Communications.
I think it's important to separate "Odes" from "Hymns"... There are MANY folk-songs that use well-known Hymn-tunes for their Music (as well as vice-versa... "The Star of the County Down" being a good example of a Folksong being appropriated for Church use).
In Indiana (US) at least, we use no "Church Hymns" with their Church words... I imagine that this is a holdover from when it was a good assumption that the CoE's Hymn-tunes (e.g. "St. Thomas", "Moscow", and "Coronation") were well known to the general Populace, even if new "masonic" words were substituted. Such isn't the case today, but the old tunes linger on, for Tradition's sake.
As an example, I offer... sung to the Tune of "Coronation" (All Hail the Pow'r of Jesus' Name), our Masonic Version:
"Let Masonry from Pole to Pole / Her sacred laws expand ; Far as the mighty waters roll / To wash remotest land.
That virtue hath not left behind / Her sacred tenets prove, For stamped upon a Mason's mind / Are unity and love."
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Post by darkwolf57 on Aug 26, 2009 17:31:48 GMT
Well, for starters, most of the Rites in the Collectanea have been banned for use by every Legitimate GL in the US (and most other places) for over a Century. Studying such things is fine (hence, the need for the GCR). Performing them, on the other hand is a big, big mistake.
Throughout our History, there have been Hucksters who have tried to foist their fake degrees off on the Unwary. Normally in the Real World, you get what you pay for. In Masonry, it's more a matter of "caveat emptor". The GCR exists to keep these fraudulent 'degrees' out of use, yet open for Study. It's the only way we can keep out the Cowans, and protect the General Populace from Billy Mays'-style Scams.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Aug 26, 2009 1:24:58 GMT
ok. This is my last post.
Each one, specially the one's , that call themself christians, and have followed this thread, and read, what i wrote, have responsability in face of all i have posted here. I have given light from God to them. I did not open this thread before prayed to God, to guide me to the people, he wanted me to talk to . So i came to this place in Jesus name. I have been called Legion, and have been insulted personally several times. Never mind. They have not insulted me, but the one, in which name i came - not only me , but also the God, i do serve, has been insulted, several times. It relies on the ones, that did so, and their conscience, to ask God for forgiveness for that. i wish all the best to all here, and hope sincerly, that at least one does think seriously about the facts, i have presented , and comes to the conclusion, that it is absolutely not admissible, that a servant of God does accept close broterhood with a organisation , that has as a big majority, unbelievers, and goals, that are not in the interest of the God of the bible, but in the interest of a other God, which is the God of this world.
Angelo
The almost incredible Stupidity of this Post leaves me gaping in Wonder. What is this 'god' ('gods') going on about ? It's almost as if it (they) have no grasp of Language, let alone Religious Knowledge.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Aug 25, 2009 21:26:01 GMT
Nope... he isn't. His Dad was.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Aug 25, 2009 18:43:19 GMT
Actually, Youngwolf, the GCR DOES hold Copyright on the antiquated (now deemed Spurious, if conferred unlawfully as Legitimate) Degrees they've Published, under US Law.
I recognize you're young, and still learning, and so, I won't take you to task on this point, but to point out that some supposed "Bodies" in the US have fallen into the grievous Error of equating "Degrees" with "Honor", thus utterly upending the whole Aim of Freemasonry.
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Post by darkwolf57 on Aug 25, 2009 17:28:07 GMT
Are there spurious Degrees in Masonry? Not really... at least, not in the US. However, there are all too many groups styling themselves "Masonic" in order to mislead the Individual searching for Light in order to line these spurious groups' collective pockets and build up thei Egos. A "spurious" Degree would be one that claims to impart the first three Degrees of Masonry without Warrant or Charter. Thankfully, these groups are fairly rare, and of miniscule Membership.
These groups are a particular problem in the African-American Community, and the MWPHGLs of each State are tearing their hair out, trying to put a stop to the promulgation of further scams. The Nuwaubians (led by the incarcerated, Life-Term Felon, scammer, and child-abuser Malachi York) is a good example of where Legitimate Prince Hall Masons have nearly eradicated a blot on the good name of Freemasonry.
In over 4/5's of American Grand Lodges, Prince Hall Grand Lodges are in full Amity with their F&AM and AF&AM counterparts, and in full Recognition (that means full Visitation Rights). There's still a way to go... but I have no doubt that we will see full Recognition of PHA, in ALL Jurisdictions in the US, in the next five years or so.
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